1 00:00:09,850 --> 00:00:06,230 you're in the para cast the gold 2 00:00:17,390 --> 00:00:09,860 standard of paranormal radio and now 3 00:00:19,490 --> 00:00:17,400 here's gene Stein with gene and jaye 4 00:00:22,099 --> 00:00:19,500 Randall Murphy I was about to call him 5 00:00:24,439 --> 00:00:22,109 something else welcome back to the para 6 00:00:27,109 --> 00:00:24,449 cast nothing offensive by the way so 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:27,119 last week we had some nice reaction to 8 00:00:34,069 --> 00:00:30,410 the appearance of Calvin Parker of 9 00:00:36,549 --> 00:00:34,079 Pascagoula Mississippi Fame on Hera cast 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:36,559 percent episode occurred in October of 11 00:00:43,010 --> 00:00:40,050 1973 and for all these years he's a 12 00:00:44,750 --> 00:00:43,020 little bit older not been super well in 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:44,760 recent years wants to leave a legacy 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:47,010 which is why he wrote a book about it 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:51,210 for the flying disc press so that's 16 00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:53,370 where it stands one of our listeners 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:55,680 though thought that maybe we should have 18 00:01:01,670 --> 00:00:58,770 asked more penetrating questions about 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:01,680 what the alien quote-unquote look like 20 00:01:05,570 --> 00:01:03,210 what the aliens look like and things 21 00:01:07,310 --> 00:01:05,580 like that I kind of thought that this 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:07,320 has been mentioned so many thousands of 23 00:01:11,050 --> 00:01:09,930 times maybe not what do you think 24 00:01:14,420 --> 00:01:11,060 Randall 25 00:01:16,130 --> 00:01:14,430 well like I said on the forum there 26 00:01:17,780 --> 00:01:16,140 those are the kind of questions that 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:17,790 would have been nice to ask if we had 28 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:21,930 had more time to do so and the thing is 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:24,270 is that episode just seemed to fly by 30 00:01:30,289 --> 00:01:26,850 for me there just wasn't enough time to 31 00:01:33,859 --> 00:01:30,299 get all those little details in so we 32 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:33,869 did the best we could also to take the 33 00:01:37,550 --> 00:01:35,460 suggestions of another one of our 34 00:01:40,850 --> 00:01:37,560 foreign people and just let Calvin tell 35 00:01:42,590 --> 00:01:40,860 his story for you know the good first 36 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:42,600 half of the show so it's not to 37 00:01:46,910 --> 00:01:44,610 interrupt him all the time 38 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:46,920 and digging into little details that 39 00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:49,380 kind of ruin the the context in the flow 40 00:01:52,969 --> 00:01:51,540 of the story this is a story that has 41 00:01:55,490 --> 00:01:52,979 been published and republished and 42 00:01:58,940 --> 00:01:55,500 discussed for a long long time David 43 00:02:01,280 --> 00:01:58,950 we've talked to you about UFO abductions 44 00:02:03,730 --> 00:02:01,290 do you have any particular observations 45 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:03,740 about Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson 46 00:02:10,279 --> 00:02:07,170 well I have to tell you that on the one 47 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:10,289 hand I don't think the abduction could 48 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:12,480 have taken place as they described that 49 00:02:19,820 --> 00:02:13,410 the 50 00:02:22,820 --> 00:02:19,830 fairly close to a major highway and it's 51 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:22,830 inconceivable to me that none of the 52 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:26,460 motorists reported seeing the object 53 00:02:33,950 --> 00:02:29,610 that abducted them land or takeoff on 54 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:33,960 the other hand I cannot believe that 55 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:39,810 they simply fabricated it as a joke that 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:43,770 what seems to me to prove that they 57 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:47,970 didn't is the police tapes didn't did 58 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:50,340 you talk about that with Calvin when he 59 00:02:56,270 --> 00:02:52,620 was on the show the secret tapes the 60 00:03:00,650 --> 00:02:56,280 police tapes yes yes yes I mean it's 61 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:00,660 clear that these are two people who've 62 00:03:08,860 --> 00:03:04,260 been through an experience which they 63 00:03:14,380 --> 00:03:08,870 found heroin which they don't understand 64 00:03:18,820 --> 00:03:14,390 so I think we have to keep both of those 65 00:03:22,340 --> 00:03:18,830 realities in balance that they did 66 00:03:25,820 --> 00:03:22,350 experience something and what they 67 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:25,830 experienced was not what they thought it 68 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:29,850 was how would you interpret it then you 69 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:32,640 okay I'm gonna use the category here but 70 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:34,530 once I say that I don't think I've given 71 00:03:41,210 --> 00:03:37,470 much of an explanation for it and that 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:41,220 is the cord a religious vision there are 73 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:44,730 some curious features of but one is that 74 00:03:52,820 --> 00:03:49,650 they describe the ship that comes for 75 00:03:55,699 --> 00:03:52,830 them as have it that I think it's 76 00:03:58,550 --> 00:03:55,709 opening is what there's like a fish's 77 00:04:01,280 --> 00:03:58,560 mouth which means which seems to me 78 00:04:04,550 --> 00:04:01,290 significant in that they went out to 79 00:04:08,900 --> 00:04:04,560 catch fish so that the ones who were 80 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:08,910 catching are themselves caught another 81 00:04:18,099 --> 00:04:12,540 thing that I found striking about it is 82 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:18,109 that Hickson says to Parker at one point 83 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:23,850 they they had a son they could have 84 00:04:30,450 --> 00:04:26,590 owned this and I found 85 00:04:32,939 --> 00:04:30,460 myself thinking how curious it is that 86 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:32,949 these are people from a part of the 87 00:04:42,719 --> 00:04:36,910 country were not long before people did 88 00:04:46,350 --> 00:04:42,729 oh other people and which in 1973 the 89 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:46,360 legacy of that was still a matter of 90 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:50,410 struggle and conflict and I expect that 91 00:04:58,230 --> 00:04:53,770 all of these things were expressed in 92 00:05:02,960 --> 00:04:58,240 their experience now exactly how that 93 00:05:07,650 --> 00:05:02,970 worked I do not know we have a number of 94 00:05:11,909 --> 00:05:07,660 parallels that might help understand how 95 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:11,919 this kind of thing can happen well it 96 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:15,610 certainly is coincidental that and that 97 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:17,440 exactly you couldn't have said it better 98 00:05:22,620 --> 00:05:20,050 the idea that they were out fishing and 99 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:22,630 they themselves were caught in a large 100 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:24,970 fish shaped UFO I think you can't escape 101 00:05:31,110 --> 00:05:28,090 that yeah so what are these other 102 00:05:34,230 --> 00:05:31,120 parallels then that sort of suggest to 103 00:05:36,150 --> 00:05:34,240 you that we might be able to get a 104 00:05:40,100 --> 00:05:36,160 little closer to some sort of an 105 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:40,110 explanation okay I find myself thinking 106 00:05:47,550 --> 00:05:44,470 of I find myself thinking of a book by a 107 00:05:51,900 --> 00:05:47,560 man named Morton Chapman called the 108 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:51,910 story of Ruth now Chapman was an 109 00:05:58,140 --> 00:05:54,310 American psychiatrist who was practicing 110 00:06:01,710 --> 00:05:58,150 in London and one of his patients was a 111 00:06:07,940 --> 00:06:01,720 young American woman also in London who 112 00:06:14,580 --> 00:06:07,950 was troubled not to say tormented by 113 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:14,590 apparition appearances of her father who 114 00:06:19,980 --> 00:06:18,130 would come and harass her now in fact 115 00:06:24,330 --> 00:06:19,990 this was a man who had abused her 116 00:06:28,020 --> 00:06:24,340 sexually when she was a child and he 117 00:06:30,750 --> 00:06:28,030 would come and insult her and generally 118 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:30,760 make her life miserable even though he 119 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:33,250 was physically on the other side of the 120 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:36,880 Atlantic am I making my making myself 121 00:06:44,050 --> 00:06:40,550 clear so far yes that she 122 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:44,060 so aberrant an apparition of him coming 123 00:06:50,430 --> 00:06:47,600 and troubling her do you mean like an 124 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:50,440 awful Ganga of some type like a physical 125 00:06:55,660 --> 00:06:52,730 observation as if you were visually 126 00:06:57,910 --> 00:06:55,670 observing someone absolutely and she saw 127 00:07:00,640 --> 00:06:57,920 when she was in Schatz man's office 128 00:07:02,890 --> 00:07:00,650 during the therapy hour the apparition 129 00:07:05,410 --> 00:07:02,900 would come to her and Schatz Minh 130 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:05,420 couldn't see it but she couldn't see him 131 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:08,960 but Ruth as he called the woman could 132 00:07:13,950 --> 00:07:11,930 see him not only that she could stretch 133 00:07:17,710 --> 00:07:13,960 out her hand and touch him 134 00:07:21,210 --> 00:07:17,720 that she could touch her father's beard 135 00:07:24,190 --> 00:07:21,220 and then compare it to Schatz honest and 136 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:24,200 say that the one is smoother than the 137 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:28,490 other so that's one was really puzzled 138 00:07:36,130 --> 00:07:33,710 by this and he decided to do something 139 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:36,140 that I find very interesting that 140 00:07:42,010 --> 00:07:38,710 instead of treating this as a 141 00:07:44,140 --> 00:07:42,020 pathological symptom to say okay she's 142 00:07:49,830 --> 00:07:44,150 crazy she's hallucinating she's being 143 00:07:53,380 --> 00:07:49,840 thing say what if what she's 144 00:07:56,380 --> 00:07:53,390 experiencing is something that maybe we 145 00:07:58,930 --> 00:07:56,390 all have potential for but we haven't 146 00:08:03,820 --> 00:07:58,940 developed it in other words that this 147 00:08:09,070 --> 00:08:03,830 ability to create an apparition is a 148 00:08:11,710 --> 00:08:09,080 talent that some people have and he 149 00:08:14,830 --> 00:08:11,720 worked with her to try to develop the 150 00:08:19,390 --> 00:08:14,840 talent and to try to increase her 151 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:19,400 control so she could get rid of her 152 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:22,550 father's apparition which was hostile 153 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:25,310 and menacing and create other 154 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:28,690 apparitions that were more to her taste 155 00:08:32,140 --> 00:08:31,130 touches when her husband went off on a 156 00:08:35,910 --> 00:08:32,150 business trip 157 00:08:38,650 --> 00:08:35,920 she created an apparition of her husband 158 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:38,660 with whom she went on to have blowout 159 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:45,890 that now exactly how this work remains 160 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:52,370 mysterious but it looks like some people 161 00:09:05,740 --> 00:08:53,690 have the 162 00:09:09,910 --> 00:09:05,750 their mind and interact with beings that 163 00:09:13,180 --> 00:09:09,920 nobody else can say but which are real 164 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:13,190 are very real to them let's continue 165 00:09:19,270 --> 00:09:15,530 with this in our next segment we have 166 00:09:22,330 --> 00:09:19,280 David Halpern longtime UFO investigator 167 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:22,340 and religious scholar we have J Randall 168 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:24,290 Murph use as our co-hosts as a matter of 169 00:09:44,730 --> 00:09:41,430 we also have swag you know we have all 170 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:44,740 these 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David looks 269 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:09,089 like Randall is suffering from echo ISM 270 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:11,890 what do we do about that I don't know I 271 00:14:15,150 --> 00:14:13,360 understand it's a pill for that there's 272 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:15,160 also an app for that anyway we're 273 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:17,279 talking here about these experiences so 274 00:14:23,550 --> 00:14:20,769 the question is here we have an older 275 00:14:26,329 --> 00:14:23,560 man as 40s I guess at the time Charles 276 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:26,339 Hickson we have a 19 year old young man 277 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:29,649 Calvin Parker and the question is here 278 00:14:35,460 --> 00:14:32,950 did they separately bring this upon 279 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:35,470 themselves did one influence the other 280 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:38,200 what do you think I don't know what we 281 00:14:44,519 --> 00:14:40,720 do know though is that the mind is a 282 00:14:47,790 --> 00:14:44,529 very powerful pattern recognition 283 00:14:51,180 --> 00:14:47,800 machine and generator and that people 284 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:51,190 can have these sorts of visions that you 285 00:14:55,530 --> 00:14:53,410 described previously I think the 286 00:14:57,750 --> 00:14:55,540 clinical term at least for one of them 287 00:15:00,540 --> 00:14:57,760 is a hypnopompic hallucinations 288 00:15:02,699 --> 00:15:00,550 but that doesn't mean we have to treat 289 00:15:05,460 --> 00:15:02,709 it as a disease and the approach that 290 00:15:08,310 --> 00:15:05,470 the therapist you mentioned took I think 291 00:15:09,870 --> 00:15:08,320 would have been a very beneficial way to 292 00:15:12,630 --> 00:15:09,880 explore the phenomena 293 00:15:15,510 --> 00:15:12,640 yeah I would use the word hallucination 294 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:15,520 except there seems to be no way to scrub 295 00:15:20,579 --> 00:15:19,480 it of its negative connotation but when 296 00:15:22,310 --> 00:15:20,589 you see that you hear the word 297 00:15:25,110 --> 00:15:22,320 hallucination you think of somebody 298 00:15:27,930 --> 00:15:25,120 staggering around drunk and seeing pink 299 00:15:28,769 --> 00:15:27,940 elephants or six feet tall white rabbits 300 00:15:32,430 --> 00:15:28,779 or whatever 301 00:15:35,130 --> 00:15:32,440 whereas we seem to be dealing and this 302 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:35,140 is the case of Ruth and Morton Chapman 303 00:15:39,900 --> 00:15:36,970 is one that's been particularly well 304 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:39,910 explored but it seems to be a fairly 305 00:15:47,220 --> 00:15:43,570 common phenomenon that people 306 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:47,230 who are perfectly sane who are not under 307 00:15:53,999 --> 00:15:50,459 the influence of any chemical substance 308 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:54,009 see these things and sometimes interact 309 00:16:01,379 --> 00:15:58,690 with them I remember a librarian Puma 310 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:01,389 from Western North Carolina whom I met 311 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:03,370 several years ago a very charming woman 312 00:16:10,350 --> 00:16:05,800 in her fifties though she looked younger 313 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:10,360 and very intelligent and she was talking 314 00:16:16,290 --> 00:16:14,170 to me about the UFO aliens she saw on 315 00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:16,300 her lawn through the windows of her 316 00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:19,750 house when she was a child and she said 317 00:16:30,269 --> 00:16:24,420 to me I know they weren't really there 318 00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:30,279 but I did see them and I want to hold on 319 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:34,720 to both halves of her state I believe 320 00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:37,630 both of them they weren't really there 321 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:42,880 and yes she did really feed them well 322 00:16:47,550 --> 00:16:45,430 that's entirely possible or I've brought 323 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:47,560 up the work of Michael Persinger on 324 00:16:53,699 --> 00:16:49,920 recent shows are you aware of who he is 325 00:16:56,460 --> 00:16:53,709 yeah so you know then that he can 326 00:16:59,699 --> 00:16:56,470 actually induce experiences like that in 327 00:17:04,049 --> 00:16:59,709 people through the right frequencies of 328 00:17:06,030 --> 00:17:04,059 e/m electromagnetic simulation people's 329 00:17:09,569 --> 00:17:06,040 brains and if I understand correctly 330 00:17:12,329 --> 00:17:09,579 he's tried to associate UFO sightings 331 00:17:14,899 --> 00:17:12,339 with the geographical areas where there 332 00:17:18,120 --> 00:17:14,909 are those levels of stimulation 333 00:17:19,980 --> 00:17:18,130 absolutely and other people have also 334 00:17:22,620 --> 00:17:19,990 including him have connected it with 335 00:17:25,409 --> 00:17:22,630 other forms of e/m not simply say 336 00:17:28,439 --> 00:17:25,419 geomagnetic but things like plasma 337 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,449 phenomena possibly ball lightning so one 338 00:17:33,030 --> 00:17:30,640 of the things we act we asked Kelvin is 339 00:17:36,570 --> 00:17:33,040 if something like ball lightning which 340 00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:36,580 is a bright blue light which is what 341 00:17:41,700 --> 00:17:38,559 they described seeing could have 342 00:17:44,159 --> 00:17:41,710 triggered this type of an experience in 343 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:44,169 them and then as the effect wore off 344 00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,450 they were just left in standing in place 345 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:48,880 where they were and he didn't deny that 346 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:51,610 that could be possible and that was one 347 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:53,830 of the other reasons that I do like you 348 00:17:58,830 --> 00:17:55,970 believe that he really did 349 00:18:03,820 --> 00:17:58,840 have a genuine experience of some kind 350 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:03,830 and I think that one of the factors 351 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:05,570 going into it and the one that I 352 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:08,480 stressed when he I quoted Hickson that 353 00:18:16,330 --> 00:18:12,400 they could have owned us I think it's 354 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:16,340 this country's very painful racial 355 00:18:23,500 --> 00:18:20,080 history remember that the abduction 356 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:23,510 tradition that starts out with a 357 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:26,810 mixed-race couple Betty and Barney Hill 358 00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:31,850 and Barney is absolutely terrified by 359 00:18:39,130 --> 00:18:35,590 his experience now if I ask how did 360 00:18:42,550 --> 00:18:39,140 Barney's and that come to this country 361 00:18:45,340 --> 00:18:42,560 the most reasonable answer is that they 362 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:45,350 were abducted in the middle of the night 363 00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:50,000 and taken to an alien ship and I think 364 00:18:58,360 --> 00:18:55,460 that is what is being repeated in the 365 00:19:00,670 --> 00:18:58,370 experience that came up for Barney under 366 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:00,680 hypnosis that's really interesting but 367 00:19:03,790 --> 00:19:03,290 then isn't sometimes a potato just a 368 00:19:06,250 --> 00:19:03,800 potato 369 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:06,260 I mean in other words putting that into 370 00:19:11,140 --> 00:19:09,050 a paranormal context I have an Irish 371 00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,150 heritage but when I look at a potato I 372 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:13,120 don't suddenly envision myself as a 373 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:15,410 reincarnated Irish immigrant who died 374 00:19:19,750 --> 00:19:16,970 during the great potato famine or 375 00:19:22,690 --> 00:19:19,760 survived the Titanic and likewise the 376 00:19:24,460 --> 00:19:22,700 UFO I saw didn't look like a fairy mound 377 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:24,470 or an apparition of the Blessed Virgin 378 00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:27,410 Mary or Saint patty or a leprechaun and 379 00:19:33,250 --> 00:19:30,440 nor did I have any sudden epigenetic 380 00:19:35,170 --> 00:19:33,260 compulsion to be taken aboard the UFO to 381 00:19:38,890 --> 00:19:35,180 escape the trauma brought on by Nina 382 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:38,900 signs and other hi burn a phobia but 383 00:19:44,530 --> 00:19:41,090 well your ancestors actually taken 384 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,540 aboard a ship against their will 385 00:19:50,050 --> 00:19:47,120 well we'll do some question that they 386 00:19:53,740 --> 00:19:50,060 suffered all the trauma and of the Irish 387 00:19:57,370 --> 00:19:53,750 and set up out on the sea to come to a 388 00:19:59,920 --> 00:19:57,380 new land on a ship and so yet we're on 389 00:20:01,960 --> 00:19:59,930 ships at the time mainly yet I don't see 390 00:20:04,300 --> 00:20:01,970 that sort of a thing I mean I have seen 391 00:20:07,340 --> 00:20:04,310 a UFO it it didn't remind me of any of 392 00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:07,350 that but I don't know that it's 393 00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:11,039 a strong argument against it that it 394 00:20:16,180 --> 00:20:14,100 doesn't occur everywhere well I find 395 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:16,190 really interesting about your 396 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:20,010 interpretations are these symbolisms 397 00:20:25,159 --> 00:20:22,530 from history and culture and mythology I 398 00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:25,169 actually find them really fascinating so 399 00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:27,000 maybe you could tell us a little bit 400 00:20:32,140 --> 00:20:29,580 more about some other examples this is 401 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:32,150 gonna be not and not going back into 402 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:35,490 deep mythology or anything but I'll give 403 00:20:43,940 --> 00:20:40,080 you the case of the Belgian silent from 404 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:43,950 the end of November 1989 into the spring 405 00:20:51,710 --> 00:20:47,970 of 1990 into triangle craft exactly and 406 00:20:54,110 --> 00:20:51,720 I'm going to be dependent here on Eric 407 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:54,120 wellit who has written about these I 408 00:21:00,169 --> 00:20:56,730 wish this idea were mine but it's not 409 00:21:04,450 --> 00:21:00,179 original with me it's Eric's we did have 410 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:04,460 in the end of 1989 and early 19th indeed 411 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:08,130 repeated sightings over Belgium oddly 412 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:11,010 they did not seem to spread beyond the 413 00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:13,770 borders of Belgium different types of 414 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:17,039 UFOs but the standard kind was the 415 00:21:24,460 --> 00:21:21,450 triangular UFO three bright white lights 416 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:24,470 and in the middle a dimmer red light 417 00:21:32,450 --> 00:21:28,289 when these things were photographed what 418 00:21:34,610 --> 00:21:32,460 came out on the picture was either a 419 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:34,620 blob or nothing at all 420 00:21:43,570 --> 00:21:37,640 so I think it's fair to assume that 421 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:43,580 people were not seeing tangible physical 422 00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:47,700 photographable things in the sky so what 423 00:21:55,580 --> 00:21:51,299 were they see well keep in mind that 424 00:21:59,600 --> 00:21:55,590 that November 1989 was a pretty eventful 425 00:22:02,750 --> 00:21:59,610 time in European history the Berlin Wall 426 00:22:06,169 --> 00:22:02,760 had come down on November 9th this was 427 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:06,179 an emblem of what you could see going on 428 00:22:12,919 --> 00:22:09,440 around you that communism was crumbling 429 00:22:14,090 --> 00:22:12,929 generally without violence in Eastern 430 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:14,100 and Central Europe 431 00:22:19,250 --> 00:22:17,250 let's break here more to come with David 432 00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:19,260 Halpern with Jeanne and Randall you're 433 00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:20,760 in the 434 00:22:39,950 --> 00:22:39,380 visit GP and live.com today it's a 435 00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:39,960 no-brainer 436 00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,640 a big berkey water 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00:27:31,140 three bright white lights and a dimmer 544 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:35,400 red light and a symbolization of what's 545 00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:38,850 going on around them that the red star 546 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:42,960 is a symbol of communism the white star 547 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:47,850 was and is a symbol of NATO which had 548 00:27:52,910 --> 00:27:50,850 and has its headquarters in Brussels I 549 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:52,920 don't think there's too much more to say 550 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:55,410 about Belgium except you can only say 551 00:28:01,400 --> 00:27:58,170 it's a coincidence and this is what I am 552 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:01,410 continually running up again maybe it is 553 00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:04,770 all coincidental so a little too 554 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,140 coincidental I mean we can get into 555 00:28:12,170 --> 00:28:09,360 religious symbolism there as well we've 556 00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:12,180 got three bright white lights does that 557 00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:13,320 remind you of anything 558 00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:17,990 Trinity perhaps surrounding the evil red 559 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:21,660 symbolism of the demons and so on yes 560 00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:23,730 dr. young please call your office yes 561 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:27,840 that what young set forth these ideas in 562 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:31,350 an essay on a psychological basis of the 563 00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:33,930 concept of the Trinity that the Trinity 564 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:38,270 for him is a mutilated quarter natee and 565 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:40,890 christianity suffers from the 566 00:28:46,550 --> 00:28:43,410 suppression of that forth who is as you 567 00:28:49,340 --> 00:28:46,560 suggest the devil or alternatively the 568 00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:49,350 female I I think that there is that 569 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:52,500 let's call it a universal symbol but 570 00:29:00,620 --> 00:28:57,690 then also a very specific symbol of a 571 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:00,630 very specific historical process the 572 00:29:06,860 --> 00:29:03,630 crumbling of European communism this 573 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:06,870 also feels very medieval right which is 574 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:09,210 also seen as evil right they con the 575 00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:11,910 evil communists it all translates almost 576 00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:14,160 perfectly what I meant by medieval 577 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:16,230 though is that people in the Middle Ages 578 00:29:20,060 --> 00:29:17,850 when they 579 00:29:22,730 --> 00:29:20,070 they have a sense of something happening 580 00:29:26,330 --> 00:29:22,740 around them they look up at the sky and 581 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:26,340 they see I don't know Globes fighting 582 00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,210 each other or armies in the sky that 583 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:33,440 they project into the sky their 584 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:36,809 awareness of what's going on around them 585 00:29:41,749 --> 00:29:38,970 I think that's what happens and that 586 00:29:44,779 --> 00:29:41,759 what's so is happening in Belgium and I 587 00:29:48,110 --> 00:29:44,789 would raise the question are those UFOs 588 00:29:50,749 --> 00:29:48,120 real or not they're not real in the 589 00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:50,759 sense of they're not machines flying 590 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:53,220 around up there this is where we can get 591 00:29:56,419 --> 00:29:54,809 into something really cool and 592 00:29:58,519 --> 00:29:56,429 interesting a little further down in the 593 00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:58,529 discussion here but let's just go with 594 00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,840 that for now and and so that people can 595 00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:02,399 get an idea on how you're looking at 596 00:30:07,869 --> 00:30:04,169 this because I do find it quite 597 00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:07,879 fascinating especially if we are also 598 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,769 dealing with some form of an alien 599 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:13,679 intelligence that's studying us now that 600 00:30:19,369 --> 00:30:16,110 makes it more complicated and Young 601 00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:19,379 himself waffles all of that and I would 602 00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:23,279 take the more would you say absolutist 603 00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:26,100 position that we are not dealing with an 604 00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,529 alien intelligence I mean I can't help 605 00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,600 think but think of what Eddie Bullard 606 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:33,120 said at one point and I said this 607 00:30:39,619 --> 00:30:36,750 actually in an email to me that if we 608 00:30:42,460 --> 00:30:39,629 are indeed being visited by beings from 609 00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:42,470 outer space they are for the most part 610 00:30:48,980 --> 00:30:45,960 innocent bystanders to our psychic 611 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:48,990 dramas and I think that's a very a very 612 00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:51,809 fine way of putting it but I also don't 613 00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:54,899 think it's true I think we can do with 614 00:31:00,009 --> 00:30:57,809 these psychic dramas and dispense with 615 00:31:02,690 --> 00:31:00,019 the visitors who seemed to me very 616 00:31:05,539 --> 00:31:02,700 problematic I can certainly agree that 617 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:05,549 the UFO phenomena is seen through the 618 00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:09,210 lens of our worldviews but in your case 619 00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:11,940 that involves so much philosophical and 620 00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:14,129 psychological filtering that I worry 621 00:31:19,159 --> 00:31:16,679 you've gone off the edge into subjective 622 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:19,169 idealism which is not only ontological 623 00:31:24,740 --> 00:31:22,049 ii unfalsifiable but epistemological ii 624 00:31:27,390 --> 00:31:24,750 nonsensical okay now you've got one pack 625 00:31:30,990 --> 00:31:27,400 left for me okay 626 00:31:33,900 --> 00:31:31,000 okay there's no question that we 627 00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:33,910 interpret our experiences through the 628 00:31:40,620 --> 00:31:36,790 lens of our worldviews I think that part 629 00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:40,630 that part we've got so in your case your 630 00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:44,190 worldview is very much composed of 631 00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:46,380 philosophical and psychological 632 00:31:51,630 --> 00:31:48,990 filtering because of your education and 633 00:31:56,250 --> 00:31:51,640 your study of the phenomena in that 634 00:31:58,530 --> 00:31:56,260 context so much so that you seem to be 635 00:32:02,760 --> 00:31:58,540 of the opinion that we're not dealing 636 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:02,770 with actual physical objective realities 637 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:06,730 but a purely mental phenomena which is 638 00:32:12,299 --> 00:32:10,330 why I say subjective idealism which is 639 00:32:15,870 --> 00:32:12,309 the philosophical position that holds 640 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:15,880 that everything we experience is purely 641 00:32:20,790 --> 00:32:18,490 some sort of mental construct and of 642 00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:20,800 course that's that at all right but it 643 00:32:25,230 --> 00:32:22,840 that's why I say I worry about that so 644 00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:25,240 that's why I was trying to clarify I 645 00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:27,160 mean I don't believe that everything 646 00:32:31,530 --> 00:32:28,780 that everything in the world we see 647 00:32:33,330 --> 00:32:31,540 around us is our is our our mental 648 00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:33,340 constructs I mean I look out the window 649 00:32:38,100 --> 00:32:35,620 of my house I see a tree eyes believes 650 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:38,110 if I were to photograph that tree it 651 00:32:43,530 --> 00:32:40,750 would be there on I assume it would be 652 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:43,540 there on the photograph but now here 653 00:32:49,169 --> 00:32:45,850 we're dealing with the edges we're 654 00:32:53,030 --> 00:32:49,179 dealing with things that people see that 655 00:32:58,260 --> 00:32:53,040 don't seem to be photographable that 656 00:33:03,810 --> 00:32:58,270 don't seem to have a physical reality 657 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:03,820 and which nonetheless they do see as 658 00:33:10,410 --> 00:33:06,730 that librarian saw those those UFO 659 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:10,420 aliens standing on her lawn and I have 660 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:14,080 to invoke something like what on went on 661 00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:17,740 with Morton sentiment patient that they 662 00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:21,460 are seeing something that comes from 663 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:24,040 within them great as a subjective 664 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:29,170 experience however because the librarian 665 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:31,570 didn't have a camera and wasn't able to 666 00:33:37,290 --> 00:33:34,690 take a picture we can't assume that they 667 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:37,300 weren't really there one thing we can 668 00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,970 assume in most cases however that 669 00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:41,120 people's 670 00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:43,700 optical perceptions are the result of a 671 00:33:47,890 --> 00:33:46,100 stimulus response which is well 672 00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:47,900 understood scientifically to be the 673 00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:51,830 result of objectively real boat ons from 674 00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:56,270 outside our immediate physical reality 675 00:34:01,630 --> 00:33:59,090 entering into it and turning into images 676 00:34:04,270 --> 00:34:01,640 within our mind yeah most of the time 677 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:04,280 what we do experience is about things 678 00:34:08,170 --> 00:34:06,260 that are they're not about things that 679 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:08,180 aren't there so why should we assume 680 00:34:13,780 --> 00:34:12,110 that with so many sightings that all 681 00:34:16,210 --> 00:34:13,790 these people are having some sort of 682 00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:16,220 purely subjective experience well so 683 00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:17,960 many sightings but it's still a tiny 684 00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:22,100 fraction of all the optical experiences 685 00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:24,680 that people have I mean so let's talk 686 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:27,470 about the Sun I don't know if the sun is 687 00:34:32,140 --> 00:34:30,410 shining at where you are it is here you 688 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:32,150 go outside you look at the side you 689 00:34:36,970 --> 00:34:34,250 probably you probably shouldn't do that 690 00:34:38,620 --> 00:34:36,980 you probably should look away there's no 691 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:38,630 question that if you photograph that 692 00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:42,410 it's up there ah and millions billions 693 00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:45,140 of other people will be having the same 694 00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:49,400 experience in this 24-hour period now on 695 00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:54,220 1 October Day in 1917 something like 696 00:35:01,390 --> 00:34:58,550 70,000 people watched that Sun fall to 697 00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:01,400 the earth at Fatima in Portugal 698 00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:04,840 these included professors journalists 699 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:07,670 totally respectable totally sober people 700 00:35:16,330 --> 00:35:12,650 who saw together the Sun do something 701 00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:16,340 that the Sun cannot possibly do 702 00:35:23,790 --> 00:35:20,150 there's the fringe there's where we have 703 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:23,800 to say there's a phenomenon that is 704 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:27,170 coming from the inside 705 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:29,930 perhaps mingling with the outside that 706 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:33,410 they that they did see the Sun but then 707 00:35:39,930 --> 00:35:35,890 they saw it do something impossible 708 00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:39,940 right that could be explainable in 709 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:43,400 fairly reasonable technological terms if 710 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:47,080 you allow for it so perhaps 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wash and dry my pillow and I give 809 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:49,000 you a 60 day money back guarantee so you 810 00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:51,010 have nothing to lose and here's my best 811 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:52,960 offer ever you can buy one of my pills 812 00:40:42,850 --> 00:39:55,210 and get one absolutely free go to my 813 00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,920 hi this is James Fox from chasing UFOs 814 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:48,960 you're listening to the podcast the gold 815 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:54,540 standard of paranormal radio so we're 816 00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,730 talking about the way of interpreting 817 00:40:59,600 --> 00:40:59,040 the UFO sighting Randall would you go on 818 00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,610 please 819 00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,680 all right so uh all I was saying is that 820 00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:04,020 you know there is okay there's one way 821 00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:06,780 we could interpret it if other reports 822 00:41:12,350 --> 00:41:09,960 of giant Mothercraft are accurate then 823 00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:12,360 this is a way that that could 824 00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:15,180 hypothetically be explained by a type of 825 00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:17,540 technology that's more advanced in ours 826 00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:21,780 maybe then we need to confront the issue 827 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:25,230 of my basic skepticism why do I rule 828 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:25,830 that out 829 00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:28,650 I mean if so if you've go to Australia 830 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:30,660 and you come back with a report of a 831 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:33,810 hopping pouched animal the simplest 832 00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:36,210 explanation is that it was really there 833 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:40,230 you really saw it because we accept the 834 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:43,890 existence of kangaroos why do I not 835 00:41:51,500 --> 00:41:46,890 accept the the existence of motherships 836 00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:51,510 and smaller ships I would give two 837 00:41:57,260 --> 00:41:54,150 answers of which one I think is real it 838 00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:57,270 is the one that really moved to me and I 839 00:42:01,310 --> 00:41:58,890 don't know if gene has talked at all 840 00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:01,320 about my you know he and I have known 841 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:04,230 each other now Lord Jim how long has it 842 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:07,530 been 53 years ability four years that's 843 00:42:14,109 --> 00:42:11,880 close enough for Josh yes yeah we we 844 00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:14,119 we've been around for a long time and 845 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:19,320 gene knows that I was a convinced 846 00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:21,290 believer in the extra-terrestrial 847 00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:24,900 hypothesis that we were being visited by 848 00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:27,900 beings from outer space and in those 849 00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:30,390 days we used to make fairly confident 850 00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,590 prediction about the impact that this 851 00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:37,440 would have on human history I mean in 852 00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:40,740 the very first UFO book Donald kilos the 853 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,180 flying saucers are real 854 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:44,880 he describes going or traveling on a 855 00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:47,609 plane and thinking that the lives of 856 00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:50,820 everyone on that plane would be affected 857 00:42:57,830 --> 00:42:55,020 by the flying saucers that was 1950 858 00:43:01,480 --> 00:42:57,840 I would guess that nearly everyone on 859 00:43:04,850 --> 00:43:01,490 that plane is dead now and not one has 860 00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:04,860 experienced the slightest impact of the 861 00:43:12,350 --> 00:43:08,670 flying saucers if these things were in 862 00:43:17,810 --> 00:43:12,360 our skies they have had no influence 863 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:17,820 whatsoever on the course of history oh I 864 00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:19,650 think we could disagree there that's for 865 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:22,470 sure let's do that 866 00:43:29,570 --> 00:43:26,930 well for starters UFOs have been an 867 00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:29,580 inspiration for a number of NASA 868 00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:33,540 engineers who continue to be the 869 00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:36,510 inspiration for people to want to find 870 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:38,670 out what they are and explore topics 871 00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:42,210 like anti-gravity and exotic propulsion 872 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:45,750 and exploring the cosmos themselves 873 00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,290 that's been admitted by people in that 874 00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:52,020 in the business and it goes way back 875 00:43:59,330 --> 00:43:55,980 back to me back to Paul R Hill who saw a 876 00:44:00,800 --> 00:43:59,340 UFO himself and dedicated much of his 877 00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:00,810 thought in time to trying to figure out 878 00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,180 how to engineer them they've eaten to 879 00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:05,520 every corner of our culture from 880 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:08,460 entertainment to advertising to books to 881 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:11,610 novels to TV films to say that there is 882 00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:15,330 no impact on our culture it is just 883 00:44:22,850 --> 00:44:19,040 simply so much evidence to the contrary 884 00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:22,860 that it's I'm sorry I find it laughable 885 00:44:27,830 --> 00:44:25,260 and now we're back with our back on the 886 00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:27,840 same page actually because I couldn't 887 00:44:34,310 --> 00:44:30,270 agree with you more that the belief in 888 00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:34,320 UFOs the image of the UFO the idea of 889 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:39,710 the UFO has had an enormous impact but 890 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:42,090 extraterrestrial visitors themselves I 891 00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:43,560 would say zero 892 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:46,680 there has been no contact there has been 893 00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:51,240 no invasion the stay old question of why 894 00:44:57,860 --> 00:44:54,260 they don't land on the White House lawn 895 00:45:00,500 --> 00:44:57,870 remains intact right so you're talking 896 00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:00,510 about some sort of verifiable material 897 00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:03,950 scientifically valid evidence 898 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:09,349 as opposed to observation wife our 899 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:12,770 people which is still a fraction of the 900 00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:16,730 total number of observations of Sun Moon 901 00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:21,560 Birds etc that people have well I mean 902 00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:24,560 III when I was a kid I high school I did 903 00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:25,880 what I thought was a really rather 904 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:29,900 clever cartoon showing two Indians going 905 00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:32,690 out to stand in a Native Americans 906 00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:35,960 standing on a wooded promontory over an 907 00:45:41,770 --> 00:45:38,540 ocean and there you see three boats out 908 00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:41,780 there Nina Pinta and Santa Maria and one 909 00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:43,460 of the Native Americans as to the other 910 00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:45,200 you brought me all the way out here to 911 00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:49,730 look at temperature inversion where that 912 00:45:57,490 --> 00:45:53,390 breaks down is that's behind the Native 913 00:46:00,569 --> 00:45:57,500 Americans very soon felt the impact of 914 00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:00,579 the visitors in dreadful and 915 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:05,750 unmistakable ways we have not right that 916 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:09,410 that's maybe not their intent either we 917 00:46:15,819 --> 00:46:11,690 don't know what their intent is assuming 918 00:46:17,940 --> 00:46:15,829 that they exist which you're on the 919 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:17,950 other side of the fence from me there 920 00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:22,730 absolutely so I and I think both sides 921 00:46:26,290 --> 00:46:23,480 of the fence 922 00:46:27,849 --> 00:46:26,300 tend to have some pretty good points to 923 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:27,859 make and that's what's making this such 924 00:46:32,410 --> 00:46:30,410 a fascinating conversation well your 925 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:32,420 side of the fence is shared among others 926 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:36,770 by Jerome Clarke who is one of the most 927 00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:39,050 profoundly intellectual people I know 928 00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,250 and who is now I I'm gonna insert a plot 929 00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:46,240 here that the his monumental UFO 930 00:46:52,690 --> 00:46:49,640 encyclopedia is about to appear in its 931 00:46:55,569 --> 00:46:52,700 third edition there's no question that 932 00:46:59,280 --> 00:46:55,579 people on your side of the fence have a 933 00:47:02,099 --> 00:46:59,290 strong case but I cannot accept it and 934 00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:02,109 the answer that you give we know what 935 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:05,270 that we don't know what their purpose is 936 00:47:10,990 --> 00:47:08,450 is the answer I always used to give you 937 00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:11,000 know we can't say you know what would we 938 00:47:16,210 --> 00:47:14,510 do if we were if we were in their place 939 00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:16,220 because we don't know what their place 940 00:47:19,150 --> 00:47:17,270 is 941 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:19,160 it was only afterwards that I realized 942 00:47:23,830 --> 00:47:21,110 many years afterwards that I realized 943 00:47:26,770 --> 00:47:23,840 that once I've said that then the 944 00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:26,780 extra-terrestrial hypothesis loses its 945 00:47:33,090 --> 00:47:30,230 explanatory power because there's 946 00:47:36,460 --> 00:47:33,100 nothing that can be postulated of 947 00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:36,470 extraterrestrial visitors well I think 948 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:39,260 there's things it can be postulated but 949 00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,330 whether or not it can be proven is 950 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:43,040 another story and and then of course 951 00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:45,050 then we get into the issue of prove and 952 00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:48,200 what exactly that means and the nature 953 00:47:53,610 --> 00:47:50,900 of evidence and what we accept as 954 00:47:54,990 --> 00:47:53,620 evidence that is good enough for proof 955 00:47:57,970 --> 00:47:55,000 yeah 956 00:48:02,700 --> 00:47:57,980 and so I confess what I think is the 957 00:48:05,290 --> 00:48:02,710 weakest part of my case right now but 958 00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:05,300 that doesn't make it less fascinating 959 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:08,720 though because and I think we can 960 00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:10,610 speculate on this a little bit more as 961 00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:15,800 we go that from my side of the fence the 962 00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:18,350 kind of effects that you're describing 963 00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:23,960 on people's worldviews might be just the 964 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:25,790 kind of thing that they're studying and 965 00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:27,530 that the way that they present 966 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:32,420 themselves might be intentional in other 967 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:36,290 words they may be aware of our symbolism 968 00:48:42,430 --> 00:48:38,810 and our psychology and present 969 00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:42,440 themselves in such a way as to study the 970 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:45,910 effects of their appearance on that I 971 00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:50,690 can't play it impossible if one reflects 972 00:48:57,550 --> 00:48:53,560 on that it becomes very very interesting 973 00:49:00,940 --> 00:48:57,560 yeah that's it that there is then this 974 00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:00,950 kind of would you call it sim its 975 00:49:05,950 --> 00:49:03,920 symbiosis the word or is that there's 976 00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:05,960 another word I'm sort of going for and I 977 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:10,520 don't I'm not quite getting it what is 978 00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:12,530 it what is the one plus one plus one 979 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:13,460 equals three 980 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:18,170 the synergy synergy yeah that's the word 981 00:49:23,530 --> 00:49:20,930 that you know I'm thinking if we were to 982 00:49:27,580 --> 00:49:23,540 use an analogy we could say you know go 983 00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:27,590 back to the cargo cults who and then who 984 00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:29,750 saw the aircraft and started making you 985 00:49:33,550 --> 00:49:30,680 know what they 986 00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:33,560 where they started making effigies of 987 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:36,080 the of the aircraft and worshiping the 988 00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,970 men they believed that the aircraft were 989 00:49:43,330 --> 00:49:40,400 themselves living creatures that were 990 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:43,340 being controlled by other human beings 991 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:48,050 and if we had wanted to we could have 992 00:49:52,420 --> 00:49:50,330 played on that psychology with our 993 00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:52,430 airplanes and ourselves to manipulate 994 00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:54,470 their culture into believing and 995 00:50:00,250 --> 00:49:57,020 thinking certain things now 996 00:50:04,030 --> 00:50:00,260 we know from the likes of say John 997 00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:04,040 Alexander the psychological warfare uses 998 00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:06,680 exactly these kinds of tactics in order 999 00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,470 to study the possibilities of the 1000 00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:15,680 whatever terrain and inhabitants that 1001 00:50:23,590 --> 00:50:20,150 are where they want to be so why should 1002 00:50:25,690 --> 00:50:23,600 we assume that another race that is 1003 00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:25,700 equally intelligent or more so than us 1004 00:50:33,580 --> 00:50:30,800 wouldn't want to do the same I think the 1005 00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:33,590 question then becomes who gets to ask 1006 00:50:39,100 --> 00:50:36,440 the question you can ask me why 1007 00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:39,110 shouldn't we assume it I can ask you why 1008 00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:42,140 should we assume it why should we not 1009 00:50:50,590 --> 00:50:46,270 assume that we're dealing with purely 1010 00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:50,600 human processes many of them poorly 1011 00:50:58,270 --> 00:50:55,420 understood or not understood at all I 1012 00:51:01,060 --> 00:50:58,280 think you're right I think in some cases 1013 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:01,070 we are dealing with purely human 1014 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:03,890 influences speaking of human influences 1015 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:05,210 we've got several minutes of those 1016 00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:07,250 coming up we'll be back with David 1017 00:51:19,610 --> 00:51:10,340 Halpern and Jay Randall Murphy you're in 1018 00:51:29,810 --> 00:51:23,540 you are listening to GCN 1019 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standard of paranormal radio and 1075 00:53:57,609 --> 00:53:53,910 now here's Jane Steinberg so what is 1076 00:54:01,660 --> 00:53:57,619 meant here by human influences Randall 1077 00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:01,670 that's a good question for David because 1078 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,859 I think he's the one who you're the one 1079 00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:07,440 David who is suggesting that in well I 1080 00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:09,300 think you're suggesting in all cases 1081 00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,090 that there are no objectively real 1082 00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:15,119 aliens this is something that comes from 1083 00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:18,510 within the human psyche and is projected 1084 00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:22,260 out into a subjective reality for the 1085 00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:25,619 experiencer yes and as I sometimes it 1086 00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:28,710 from from inside are the human mind 1087 00:54:34,340 --> 00:54:31,680 which has enough alienness to fill a 1088 00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:34,350 universe I think there's no question 1089 00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:36,510 about that especially when we look at 1090 00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:38,040 some of the wonderful science fiction 1091 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:41,550 it's been written over the years so IIIi 1092 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:45,650 think that the UFOs become both more 1093 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:49,490 understandable and in my own view more 1094 00:54:58,490 --> 00:54:53,490 fascinating as a purely human phenomena 1095 00:55:03,890 --> 00:54:58,500 and more fascinating perhaps because 1096 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:03,900 then they become comprehensible and not 1097 00:55:11,450 --> 00:55:09,690 just a nygma's far away in the sky right 1098 00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:11,460 maybe that's what you're looking for 1099 00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:13,580 though you you need that sort of 1100 00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:16,200 comprehension because you're an academic 1101 00:55:22,340 --> 00:55:20,030 and a thinker and you need closure and 1102 00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:22,350 resolution to this problem and it's one 1103 00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:26,609 way in your mind to get that whereas if 1104 00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:29,609 you don't go that route you don't really 1105 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:32,400 have an answer I keep thinking of the 1106 00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:34,530 public of the saying that when the only 1107 00:55:38,170 --> 00:55:35,880 tool you've got is a Hammer Every 1108 00:55:41,500 --> 00:55:38,180 Problem looks like a nail 1109 00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:41,510 right and there's there's certainly 1110 00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,470 certainly that that danger yeah yeah and 1111 00:55:52,290 --> 00:55:48,640 I think that that's a 1112 00:55:55,410 --> 00:55:52,300 that's prevalent in the field and we 1113 00:55:59,610 --> 00:55:55,420 need to be careful not to overly 1114 00:56:01,980 --> 00:55:59,620 reinforce that yeah I guess I guess 1115 00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:01,990 overly reinforced it but I don't know 1116 00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:05,500 how you measure be overly I actually 1117 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:09,190 think there's a merit to going as far 1118 00:56:18,210 --> 00:56:13,690 out on a limb as you can and to present 1119 00:56:22,350 --> 00:56:18,220 your position in as pure a form as you 1120 00:56:25,770 --> 00:56:22,360 can to see where its limitations are oh 1121 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:25,780 sure yeah I actually feel that that's 1122 00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,250 very much what you are doing 1123 00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:29,760 with the way that you are looking at it 1124 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:33,430 and it's a fairly unique position and 1125 00:56:39,900 --> 00:56:36,090 it's certainly one worth considering I 1126 00:56:42,810 --> 00:56:39,910 in the beginning of my book that I'm 1127 00:56:44,730 --> 00:56:42,820 writing now which is going to be 1128 00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:44,740 published by Stanford University Press 1129 00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:47,560 called intimate alien they didn't story 1130 00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:52,000 of the UFO I claimed for myself that I'm 1131 00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:55,120 advocating a third way I don't believe 1132 00:57:06,980 --> 00:57:00,900 in UFOs and I don't debunk UFOs is a 1133 00:57:11,010 --> 00:57:06,990 third approach that I think acknowledges 1134 00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:11,020 the essential point that UFOs are 1135 00:57:16,590 --> 00:57:15,070 something enormous ly important not bulk 1136 00:57:21,090 --> 00:57:16,600 by any man 1137 00:57:25,980 --> 00:57:21,100 in any sense of the word and yet that 1138 00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:25,990 they are not real physically how about a 1139 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:29,440 fourth approach that combines all of it 1140 00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:33,970 why couldn't there be say an alien 1141 00:57:41,790 --> 00:57:38,380 presence that makes itself known through 1142 00:57:44,460 --> 00:57:41,800 deception in other words I've if you've 1143 00:57:47,070 --> 00:57:44,470 got the technology to make your craft 1144 00:57:50,190 --> 00:57:47,080 look and behave like whatever you want 1145 00:57:52,830 --> 00:57:50,200 it to be especially the cultural 1146 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:52,840 stereotypes of the civilization you're 1147 00:57:58,830 --> 00:57:55,810 presenting yourself to then you're 1148 00:58:01,440 --> 00:57:58,840 portraying something that isn't real to 1149 00:58:02,490 --> 00:58:01,450 them and yet has an objective reality 1150 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:02,500 the 1151 00:58:11,220 --> 00:58:05,410 kinds of facade and would you use that 1152 00:58:16,110 --> 00:58:11,230 to explain the anomaly that the 1897 1153 00:58:19,710 --> 00:58:16,120 airships were just one step ahead of the 1154 00:58:22,290 --> 00:58:19,720 technology of their time it could it 1155 00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,300 could explain that quite easily yeah 1156 00:58:26,550 --> 00:58:24,160 but then again there are other 1157 00:58:29,940 --> 00:58:26,560 explanations we know that newspapers 1158 00:58:33,090 --> 00:58:29,950 simply fabricated stories we know that 1159 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:33,100 the psyche of the time was that was the 1160 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:35,530 forward thinking people are going to 1161 00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:39,010 become arrow knots type of thing but if 1162 00:58:44,180 --> 00:58:40,960 you get in if you believe that the say 1163 00:58:46,650 --> 00:58:44,190 really weird cases were actual cases 1164 00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:46,660 then there really isn't much other way 1165 00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:49,120 to explain them other than some sort of 1166 00:58:53,820 --> 00:58:52,060 alien technology now I don't mean by 1167 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:53,830 alien that they necessarily come from 1168 00:58:59,100 --> 00:58:55,930 another star system they might be 1169 00:59:01,230 --> 00:58:59,110 interstellar they might not be I don't 1170 00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:01,240 have the answer to that I'm just saying 1171 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:03,790 it comes from beyond the boundaries and 1172 00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:08,410 constructs of our known civilization but 1173 00:59:13,170 --> 00:59:11,110 they do have a certain tendency to 1174 00:59:16,380 --> 00:59:13,180 introduce themselves as American 1175 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:16,390 inventors with a very strange tendency 1176 00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:17,530 to be named Wilson 1177 00:59:25,470 --> 00:59:22,750 oh yeah Jerry Clark has written on this 1178 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:25,480 that the name that were that people do 1179 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:30,130 claim to have met the pilot of the of 1180 00:59:36,450 --> 00:59:34,570 the airship and that they announced that 1181 00:59:38,850 --> 00:59:36,460 they've invented this they're American 1182 00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:38,860 and that it will be revealed to the 1183 00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:41,020 public soon which it never never is and 1184 00:59:47,340 --> 00:59:44,440 the name Wilson keeps cropping up Jerry 1185 00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:47,350 Clark Ford is brought forward a really 1186 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:50,070 interesting case and this is this 1187 00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:53,650 intrigues me and my other hat as they as 1188 01:00:00,590 --> 00:59:57,280 a Jewish historian of war one of them 1189 01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:00,600 witnesses was a rabbi in Beaumont Texas 1190 01:00:06,750 --> 01:00:04,240 who learned that a the airship had 1191 01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:06,760 landed at a nearby farm and went out to 1192 01:00:14,910 --> 01:00:10,000 see it and shook a mat and shook hands 1193 01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:14,920 with the inventors now I keep thinking 1194 01:00:20,279 --> 01:00:16,150 why is he 1195 01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:20,289 the story what is the reality behind it 1196 01:00:25,890 --> 01:00:22,960 I mean you get the same sort of question 1197 01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:25,900 you can ask about about Hickson and 1198 01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:29,500 Parker what is the reality behind it the 1199 01:00:35,309 --> 01:00:32,920 only the main answer I can give is what 1200 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:35,319 it might have functioned how it might 1201 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:38,170 have functioned for him here is a man 1202 01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:41,410 was trained in Germany the European in 1203 01:00:49,859 --> 01:00:45,660 Beaumont Texas he's an alien both as a 1204 01:00:54,690 --> 01:00:49,869 foreigner and as a Jew and by shaking 1205 01:01:00,269 --> 01:00:54,700 hands with the pilots of the airship he 1206 01:01:04,140 --> 01:01:00,279 becomes part of the American great 1207 01:01:04,859 --> 01:01:04,150 american march of progress you see what 1208 01:01:07,819 --> 01:01:04,869 I'm saying 1209 01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:07,829 I do it's wonderful I absolutely love it 1210 01:01:14,339 --> 01:01:11,710 so so what okay so here's my question 1211 01:01:16,620 --> 01:01:14,349 now suppose we were to go back there 1212 01:01:18,690 --> 01:01:16,630 this is impossible it's completely 1213 01:01:21,539 --> 01:01:18,700 impossible but suppose we were to get 1214 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:21,549 into the do I think his name was leave 1215 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:26,650 here I believe his mind what what what 1216 01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:31,210 did he do what did he see what should I 1217 01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:33,910 do experience and how much did he invent 1218 01:01:41,309 --> 01:01:39,849 I don't know so you know I think being 1219 01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:41,319 quite to say he made the whole darn 1220 01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:44,500 thing up but then I I think of a roof in 1221 01:01:50,089 --> 01:01:47,140 her therapists office watching her 1222 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:50,099 father standing menacingly over her 1223 01:01:56,010 --> 01:01:53,770 right so Wilson yeah 1224 01:02:00,510 --> 01:01:56,020 why couldn't rabbi leave you've gone out 1225 01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:00,520 to a farm and beam these aranaut 1226 01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:03,880 had you had a waking dream and just sure 1227 01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:07,569 it's it's impossible now I'm just saying 1228 01:02:10,769 --> 01:02:08,710 that that doesn't rule out other 1229 01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:10,779 possibilities in other cases as well 1230 01:02:15,930 --> 01:02:13,359 right so you know just painting the 1231 01:02:17,579 --> 01:02:15,940 entire phenomena with one brush just 1232 01:02:23,269 --> 01:02:17,589 seems to be going a little too far for 1233 01:02:26,609 --> 01:02:23,279 me yeah yeah I can see your objection I 1234 01:02:27,630 --> 01:02:26,619 think at least procedurally it works 1235 01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:27,640 best for me 1236 01:02:31,890 --> 01:02:29,920 to start out doing that 1237 01:02:34,350 --> 01:02:31,900 yeah I see more where you're coming from 1238 01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:34,360 now it's like okay well let's just ask 1239 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:36,760 the question could this explain that 1240 01:02:42,030 --> 01:02:40,210 particular case and that's a 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01:07:55,660 this David maybe I want to move to it 1366 01:07:59,730 --> 01:07:57,700 because frankly I expect you to talk 1367 01:08:02,280 --> 01:07:59,740 about something else like dreams but you 1368 01:08:04,050 --> 01:08:02,290 never know and that is this book you're 1369 01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:04,060 working on that's going to be published 1370 01:08:09,060 --> 01:08:07,359 what two years from now can you give us 1371 01:08:09,859 --> 01:08:09,070 kind of preview of what we're looking 1372 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:09,869 for 1373 01:08:17,849 --> 01:08:15,609 kind of eyes the approach that I've been 1374 01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:17,859 talking about here first of all a third 1375 01:08:24,510 --> 01:08:21,430 way the neither neither beliefs nor 1376 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:24,520 debunking and secondly and here we have 1377 01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:27,250 to start bringing young in that to see 1378 01:08:37,490 --> 01:08:32,799 UFOs as a mist but mist as real and 1379 01:08:41,820 --> 01:08:37,500 important in the pursuit of that path I 1380 01:08:45,329 --> 01:08:41,830 start out with my own autobiography as 1381 01:08:49,229 --> 01:08:45,339 they had confessions of a teenage 1382 01:08:52,769 --> 01:08:49,239 ufologist and asked what did UFOs mean 1383 01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:52,779 to me since I think actually the 1384 01:08:58,829 --> 01:08:54,910 essential question to be asked about the 1385 01:09:02,670 --> 01:08:58,839 UFOs is what do they mean and then to 1386 01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:02,680 move from there toward what they mean to 1387 01:09:13,019 --> 01:09:08,830 others that I try to demonstrate my idea 1388 01:09:16,620 --> 01:09:13,029 of apparitions of people seeing things 1389 01:09:20,519 --> 01:09:16,630 that may be triggered by something 1390 01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:20,529 physically in the sky and yet which 1391 01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,370 become the nucleus of a religious vision 1392 01:09:31,050 --> 01:09:28,960 then from there I go to one of the main 1393 01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:31,060 sections of the book which is the 1394 01:09:33,570 --> 01:09:32,980 abduction tradition starting out with 1395 01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:33,580 Betty and 1396 01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:38,680 Barney Hill and the tremendous impact 1397 01:09:45,770 --> 01:09:42,160 that Whitley Strieber had on that on the 1398 01:09:48,810 --> 01:09:45,780 one hand you can trace it to its 1399 01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:48,820 beginnings with the hills on the other 1400 01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:51,490 hand there's a pre history of it that 1401 01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:53,230 goes back you know that whole business 1402 01:09:58,740 --> 01:09:56,530 was the pretty annika mask I know he 1403 01:10:02,430 --> 01:09:58,750 tell us about that that there's a mask 1404 01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:02,440 from I think it's about 4000 BCE from 1405 01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:08,920 Kosovo which looks exactly no so I take 1406 01:10:14,310 --> 01:10:09,520 that back 1407 01:10:16,820 --> 01:10:14,320 not exactly but enough like the picture 1408 01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:16,830 on the cover of streamers communion that 1409 01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:19,630 people who see the two together I've 1410 01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:22,270 seen this there's an intake of breath 1411 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:26,770 and oh there's a real startled reaction 1412 01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:30,010 when they see that now what does this 1413 01:10:36,060 --> 01:10:34,140 mean I don't think it's that 1414 01:10:39,570 --> 01:10:36,070 extraterrestrials landed in prehistoric 1415 01:10:43,410 --> 01:10:39,580 possible because not only my own bias 1416 01:10:47,730 --> 01:10:43,420 but that this mass is part of a sequence 1417 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:47,740 of artwork they're very very talented 1418 01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:51,010 culture that seems to fit perfectly in 1419 01:10:57,780 --> 01:10:54,580 with their images of some sort of a 1420 01:10:59,760 --> 01:10:57,790 deity an animal a human faced animal 1421 01:11:02,760 --> 01:10:59,770 something we're not quite sure what the 1422 01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:02,770 mask is supposed to represent uh but 1423 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:07,750 that there is something that Strieber 1424 01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:11,770 accessed that is very ancient in the 1425 01:11:17,850 --> 01:11:16,180 human psyche and that explains and this 1426 01:11:20,370 --> 01:11:17,860 is this is one of the things that 1427 01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:20,380 fascinates me most about communion is 1428 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:23,500 that people see that cover and have the 1429 01:11:29,310 --> 01:11:27,610 sense they've seen the same thing okay 1430 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:29,320 I've sort of gotten off on that a bit 1431 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:32,410 but this is their this is one thing that 1432 01:11:38,570 --> 01:11:35,170 my book talks about and then I talk 1433 01:11:42,480 --> 01:11:38,580 about other sort of I would call them 1434 01:11:45,450 --> 01:11:42,490 collateral subjects related to the UFO 1435 01:11:47,470 --> 01:11:45,460 are the men in black or the bender 1436 01:11:51,250 --> 01:11:47,480 mystery the I end 1437 01:11:54,490 --> 01:11:51,260 mr. e the traditions of the the 1438 01:11:56,260 --> 01:11:54,500 invisible ship and then and Jean I know 1439 01:11:59,140 --> 01:11:56,270 this is something that you've done 1440 01:12:01,840 --> 01:11:59,150 really good stuff with with your 1441 01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:01,850 interviews the shaver mystery which I 1442 01:12:08,979 --> 01:12:05,590 see is a kind of a dress rehearsal for 1443 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:08,989 UFOs why they bring up a few things 1444 01:12:13,810 --> 01:12:11,930 based on that shave her mystery now when 1445 01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,820 you look at the Schaefer mystery you're 1446 01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:16,400 seeing in his stories and of course they 1447 01:12:22,990 --> 01:12:18,470 were heavily edited by Palmer although I 1448 01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,000 had the chance of managing to being 1449 01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:25,040 contact with shaver in his final years 1450 01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:28,820 so I saw the unedited shaver but Palmer 1451 01:12:35,260 --> 01:12:32,120 wrote pretty traditional pulp fiction 1452 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:35,270 stories about an ancient civilization 1453 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:37,970 that was very much like all sorts of 1454 01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:41,450 similar legends but there was also the 1455 01:12:44,979 --> 01:12:43,489 indication that a lot of what happened 1456 01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:44,989 to shave her this is what Palmer said he 1457 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:48,710 told me this is that shavers memory of 1458 01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:51,890 this a lot of it was in his head what do 1459 01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,230 you think I think he's absolutely right 1460 01:13:00,010 --> 01:12:56,480 but I don't well I don't think he said 1461 01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:00,020 that at least in your interview whoa he 1462 01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:02,450 said that shaver said he was was in the 1463 01:13:07,870 --> 01:13:05,810 caves for eight years and Palmer knew 1464 01:13:11,620 --> 01:13:07,880 that he was in mental hospitals for 1465 01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:11,630 eight years which is true he was well 1466 01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:13,820 that really got us plays up with the 1467 01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:16,070 parallel then in the symbolism and that 1468 01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:17,600 would fit right in with your sort of an 1469 01:13:21,940 --> 01:13:19,340 explanation then wouldn't it David oh 1470 01:13:24,850 --> 01:13:21,950 yeah yeah especially since what we've 1471 01:13:28,930 --> 01:13:24,860 got in the shaver mystery is the alien 1472 01:13:33,010 --> 01:13:28,940 from within right and and Palmer didn't 1473 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:33,020 use this to discredit shaver at all that 1474 01:13:38,110 --> 01:13:35,690 he was convinced that shaver at least as 1475 01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:38,120 he's represented in your interview and 1476 01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:40,900 you would know this you were there that 1477 01:13:51,910 --> 01:13:47,840 the shaver had access to some mm-hmm 1478 01:13:55,930 --> 01:13:51,920 some mental realm that was not just his 1479 01:13:58,990 --> 01:13:55,940 imagination and it does seem like shaver 1480 01:14:01,300 --> 01:13:59,000 was tapping into something very very 1481 01:14:04,540 --> 01:14:01,310 powerful that 1482 01:14:08,430 --> 01:14:04,550 got a certain amount of notoriety in the 1483 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:08,440 mid 40s and then a year or two later 1484 01:14:15,730 --> 01:14:13,370 blossomed in in the flying saucers I 1485 01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:15,740 mean I I'm working now on on the shaver 1486 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:19,160 chapter right now and I'm stunned at how 1487 01:14:26,590 --> 01:14:23,570 prophetic Palmer was Palmer used to say 1488 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:26,600 that shaver predicted the flying saucers 1489 01:14:37,180 --> 01:14:30,410 and I think he's right I think he's 1490 01:14:40,330 --> 01:14:37,190 right that they're in in the July 1946 1491 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:40,340 issue of Amazing Stories which was which 1492 01:14:46,510 --> 01:14:44,090 actually came out a III I think it was a 1493 01:14:49,260 --> 01:14:46,520 month earlier by then it was it by then 1494 01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:49,270 amazing stories had had shifted to a 1495 01:14:57,070 --> 01:14:53,420 monthly publication shaver wrote a story 1496 01:15:00,850 --> 01:14:57,080 called the cult of the witch Queen in 1497 01:15:02,650 --> 01:15:00,860 which he assumes that spaceships are 1498 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:02,660 going back and forth for centuries 1499 01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,690 between the Earth and Venus and any 1500 01:15:09,340 --> 01:15:07,280 writes a footnote and says well you may 1501 01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,350 ask how come nobody ever sees them and 1502 01:15:14,170 --> 01:15:11,120 the answer is people do 1503 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:14,180 they're all over charles fort and then 1504 01:15:18,700 --> 01:15:16,010 palmer predicts on the basis of this 1505 01:15:20,820 --> 01:15:18,710 that spaceships are gonna be seen and 1506 01:15:23,980 --> 01:15:20,830 then lo and behold Kenneth Arnold please 1507 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:23,990 and people claimed to have contact with 1508 01:15:30,340 --> 01:15:27,050 minutiae ins and then Sagan debunks is 1509 01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:30,350 all because he becomes an astrobiologist 1510 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:32,060 and becomes one of the first people to 1511 01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:35,570 actually get a read on the actual 1512 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:38,510 atmospheric conditions of Venus let's 1513 01:15:43,690 --> 01:15:40,810 get fresh into this in our next segment 1514 01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:43,700 but first we're coming on five years 1515 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:46,760 five fun-filled years of the power cast 1516 01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:49,130 plus we also 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01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:54,630 field and Palmer and Arnold and Richard 1643 01:20:59,840 --> 01:20:57,600 a shaver now there's a story in a book I 1644 01:21:02,300 --> 01:20:59,850 forget the guys name Richard Toronto did 1645 01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:02,310 on the shaver don't know if you read it 1646 01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:05,250 when he points out that that yeah where 1647 01:21:10,970 --> 01:21:07,860 he points out that shaver was very 1648 01:21:12,260 --> 01:21:10,980 possibly railroaded by his family into 1649 01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:12,270 that mental institution 1650 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:14,610 well we're by his in-laws but yeah I 1651 01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:16,770 mean they didn't like him first of all 1652 01:21:22,940 --> 01:21:19,140 because he wasn't Jewish that that he 1653 01:21:25,730 --> 01:21:22,950 married a Jewish girl in the the the 1654 01:21:28,130 --> 01:21:25,740 Detroit Art School where he where him 1655 01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:28,140 where he studied and also because they 1656 01:21:32,540 --> 01:21:29,400 thought he was a lunatic that he'd 1657 01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:32,550 already be gone hearing these voices out 1658 01:21:39,490 --> 01:21:36,090 of his out of his welding gun that he 1659 01:21:43,220 --> 01:21:39,500 that he wrote about in his stories and 1660 01:21:45,860 --> 01:21:43,230 he did go into he wasn't a couple of 1661 01:21:48,050 --> 01:21:45,870 mental institutions one of one of which 1662 01:21:52,690 --> 01:21:48,060 he was on leave from and he just when he 1663 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:52,700 heard his wife had died and he just fled 1664 01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:55,290 and that he used these mental 1665 01:21:59,400 --> 01:21:57,900 institutions he was quite explicit about 1666 01:22:01,470 --> 01:21:59,410 it that they that 1667 01:22:05,250 --> 01:22:01,480 were the equivalent of the underground 1668 01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:05,260 prison of the the Darrow's the urine to 1669 01:22:10,140 --> 01:22:07,120 your audience know about shaver and the 1670 01:22:12,690 --> 01:22:10,150 shaver mystery oh yeah yes we did we've 1671 01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:12,700 discussed that a number of times and we 1672 01:22:18,630 --> 01:22:15,130 had richard toronto on to talk about the 1673 01:22:21,330 --> 01:22:18,640 shaver book my first wife Geneva came on 1674 01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:21,340 the show because we both knew shaver so 1675 01:22:27,090 --> 01:22:23,980 yes we did yeah if I could ask a 1676 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:27,100 question of you yourself David you know 1677 01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:30,010 are you religious yourself are you a 1678 01:22:40,340 --> 01:22:37,030 believer in deities no and yes I do not 1679 01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:40,350 believe in God in any conventional sense 1680 01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:44,400 by conventional sense what do you mean a 1681 01:22:54,060 --> 01:22:50,320 guarantor of justice and goodness in the 1682 01:22:56,190 --> 01:22:54,070 world I'm not going to use the cliche of 1683 01:22:58,050 --> 01:22:56,200 the long robe and the long white hair 1684 01:23:00,660 --> 01:22:58,060 and beard because I don't think that's 1685 01:23:04,350 --> 01:23:00,670 essential but I think if you are 1686 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:04,360 believer in the biblical God you have to 1687 01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:08,410 have some notion and I think probably of 1688 01:23:18,210 --> 01:23:11,320 the gods of most religion that this is 1689 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:18,220 the guardian of the truth of justice who 1690 01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:22,090 in some way or another enforces ethical 1691 01:23:32,100 --> 01:23:25,510 standards and I don't believe that that 1692 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:32,110 can be similarly I believe that the 1693 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:35,050 physical world that we know of can be 1694 01:23:41,070 --> 01:23:37,690 accounted for perfectly well without a 1695 01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:41,080 God but I do believe that there are 1696 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:45,460 depths of the human unconscious that are 1697 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:51,610 beyond what we understand now and as 1698 01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:54,490 probably this is imp this is linked very 1699 01:24:01,790 --> 01:23:58,000 much with the UFO mystery so are you 1700 01:24:05,340 --> 01:24:01,800 alright or do you believe in a creator 1701 01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:05,350 or like a natural entity other so so 1702 01:24:10,410 --> 01:24:07,090 this is so in other words you're sort of 1703 01:24:12,580 --> 01:24:10,420 on the same page with deities as you are 1704 01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:12,590 with UFOs that there are creation 1705 01:24:24,959 --> 01:24:18,650 of man's mind not quite because I would 1706 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:24,969 ask what is this unconscious women Freud 1707 01:24:30,609 --> 01:24:27,770 advocated for the individual unconscious 1708 01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:30,619 even though he he sensed that there was 1709 01:24:35,709 --> 01:24:32,840 something larger he's that we just know 1710 01:24:38,109 --> 01:24:35,719 we just shouldn't get into that until 1711 01:24:41,530 --> 01:24:38,119 we've thoroughly explored the individual 1712 01:24:43,930 --> 01:24:41,540 unconscious Jung said no we've got to go 1713 01:24:47,020 --> 01:24:43,940 further Freud is great as far as he goes 1714 01:24:48,970 --> 01:24:47,030 but we need to go further and look for a 1715 01:24:52,540 --> 01:24:48,980 group unconscious something that's 1716 01:24:55,229 --> 01:24:52,550 bigger than the individual unconscious 1717 01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:55,239 now I sometimes wonder is it possible 1718 01:25:02,379 --> 01:24:58,880 there's a third unconscious maybe call 1719 01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:02,389 it the cosmic unconscious which is as 1720 01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:06,320 much bigger than the Union unconscious 1721 01:25:13,330 --> 01:25:08,560 as the Jungian is than the Freudian and 1722 01:25:19,979 --> 01:25:13,340 that this cosmic unconscious it may be 1723 01:25:22,959 --> 01:25:19,989 close am I making any sense here yes 1724 01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:22,969 that's actually no I think you are 1725 01:25:28,660 --> 01:25:27,110 making a lot of sense if one looks at it 1726 01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:28,670 the way that I've filtered it through 1727 01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:31,280 the way that I reason out things and 1728 01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:34,270 that is that there very well could be 1729 01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:38,000 some other entity say perhaps if our 1730 01:25:47,109 --> 01:25:42,250 universe for example is a multiverse and 1731 01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:47,119 they are able to create universes within 1732 01:25:50,890 --> 01:25:49,280 universes and ours could be a universe 1733 01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:50,900 within a universe which means there 1734 01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:53,840 could be some universe Creator out there 1735 01:25:59,700 --> 01:25:57,679 that doesn't necessary to Phi it but it 1736 01:26:04,270 --> 01:25:59,710 doesn't preclude the possibility either 1737 01:26:08,109 --> 01:26:04,280 yeah I I I wouldn't I wouldn't preclude 1738 01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:08,119 it either it's just the the actual 1739 01:26:13,930 --> 01:26:11,210 deification process that if we leave 1740 01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:13,940 that out then then we sort of get the 1741 01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:16,550 same thing but we don't we don't have to 1742 01:26:23,530 --> 01:26:21,110 become devotees so to speak and perhaps 1743 01:26:26,380 --> 01:26:23,540 we can agree that religious phenomena 1744 01:26:28,660 --> 01:26:26,390 are both important and in some 1745 01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:28,670 it's real that we may not be able to 1746 01:26:36,250 --> 01:26:33,500 define in exactly what they are real hmm 1747 01:26:38,260 --> 01:26:36,260 right well I've had what would be called 1748 01:26:39,940 --> 01:26:38,270 an archetypal religious experiences 1749 01:26:42,100 --> 01:26:39,950 pretty powerful a really interesting 1750 01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:42,110 story probably a little bit too much to 1751 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:45,110 get into here but but another question 1752 01:26:49,570 --> 01:26:47,210 for you and I was kind of dying to ask 1753 01:26:53,050 --> 01:26:49,580 this one because one of the things that 1754 01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:53,060 I do as a person with a keen interest in 1755 01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:55,910 the subject is I look at all all sides 1756 01:27:00,280 --> 01:26:58,370 of things I of course I have Young's 1757 01:27:01,660 --> 01:27:00,290 book and I have a number of others and 1758 01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:01,670 your sounds like it would make a 1759 01:27:07,770 --> 01:27:04,490 fantastic addition to any ufology 1760 01:27:11,230 --> 01:27:07,780 library but when I get looking at 1761 01:27:12,940 --> 01:27:11,240 religion one of the things they do to 1762 01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:12,950 try and figure out what they're talking 1763 01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:15,110 about is to look try and find an 1764 01:27:20,430 --> 01:27:17,600 objective reference to what the words 1765 01:27:24,370 --> 01:27:20,440 mean and so I got myself a copy of 1766 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:24,380 hungers Bible dictionary now I don't 1767 01:27:32,650 --> 01:27:27,530 know if you know who he is but he has a 1768 01:27:36,820 --> 01:27:32,660 PhD and so on Ian's in was from the 1769 01:27:38,590 --> 01:27:36,830 Dallas Theological Seminary and anyway 1770 01:27:41,170 --> 01:27:38,600 he's done a lot of work on trying to 1771 01:27:43,660 --> 01:27:41,180 figure out what ancient peoples meant by 1772 01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:43,670 the words that we use today have you 1773 01:27:47,980 --> 01:27:45,920 heard of him and are you able to comment 1774 01:27:50,890 --> 01:27:47,990 on whether I should be using another 1775 01:27:54,220 --> 01:27:50,900 dictionary or is that a pretty good one 1776 01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:54,230 I don't know that one but I don't there 1777 01:28:00,720 --> 01:27:56,210 that there's nothing about it 1778 01:28:05,860 --> 01:28:00,730 okay it may it may be perfectly 1779 01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:05,870 perfectly fine right so for example when 1780 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:09,650 they talk about heaven and the heavens 1781 01:28:16,630 --> 01:28:14,090 in Scripture he goes back and traces the 1782 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:16,640 etymology and the evolution of the word 1783 01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:19,810 and says that the original intent was 1784 01:28:27,130 --> 01:28:23,920 what we would say today as the sky and 1785 01:28:29,470 --> 01:28:27,140 so he and he's not talking about like 1786 01:28:31,630 --> 01:28:29,480 von Daniken he's really gone back and 1787 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:31,640 done you know some intense study on it 1788 01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:36,050 at a PhD level so I think that really 1789 01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:37,850 helps to try to put some object 1790 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:40,090 objectivity in 1791 01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:42,970 the interpretation yet to the extent 1792 01:28:47,550 --> 01:28:44,770 that it can be done no I think I think 1793 01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:47,560 it is very clear that in that in the 1794 01:28:53,070 --> 01:28:49,570 Bible it is at least the Old Testament 1795 01:28:55,670 --> 01:28:53,080 heaven ones when the writers speak of 1796 01:28:59,490 --> 01:28:55,680 the heaven all they mean is the sky 1797 01:29:01,650 --> 01:28:59,500 right you know that it's not like you 1798 01:29:03,890 --> 01:29:01,660 are you going to heaven right the whole 1799 01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:03,900 old sort of la-la-land thing was created 1800 01:29:09,420 --> 01:29:06,790 later down the road in history more as 1801 01:29:11,900 --> 01:29:09,430 what well I guess I kind of go follow 1802 01:29:14,130 --> 01:29:11,910 along the lines as a means of 1803 01:29:17,370 --> 01:29:14,140 behavioural control so that you have the 1804 01:29:20,340 --> 01:29:17,380 reward of if you follow the the will of 1805 01:29:23,310 --> 01:29:20,350 the church you'll be rewarded later when 1806 01:29:25,410 --> 01:29:23,320 you retire to heaven let me just throw 1807 01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:25,420 something out here I'm a religious 1808 01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:29,050 question here and that is I had a couple 1809 01:29:34,350 --> 01:29:30,880 of comments and I didn't make a big deal 1810 01:29:36,090 --> 01:29:34,360 of it because we're gonna cover religion 1811 01:29:39,780 --> 01:29:36,100 from different angles especially as it 1812 01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:39,790 may pertain to paranormal events the 1813 01:29:46,230 --> 01:29:44,230 feeling here that maybe Randall you 1814 01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:46,240 attacked organized religion or the 1815 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:48,940 religious philosophies too much my point 1816 01:29:53,190 --> 01:29:51,610 is you have a right to your opinion we 1817 01:29:55,230 --> 01:29:53,200 have a right to be with the gist not 1818 01:29:56,820 --> 01:29:55,240 religious somewhere in the middle we 1819 01:29:59,310 --> 01:29:56,830 have a 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seven nine nine ber ke why i just 1932 01:34:49,279 --> 01:34:46,949 go back just briefly back to the shaver 1933 01:34:51,500 --> 01:34:49,289 chapter before we continue because this 1934 01:34:53,810 --> 01:34:51,510 sounds like a fascinating book what do 1935 01:34:56,929 --> 01:34:53,820 you think about shaver did he actually 1936 01:34:59,949 --> 01:34:56,939 have a real experience that formed the 1937 01:35:02,599 --> 01:34:59,959 basis for all the stories he wrote I 1938 01:35:07,369 --> 01:35:02,609 think he must have had one that was real 1939 01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:07,379 to him I mean you your interview with 1940 01:35:11,299 --> 01:35:09,659 him produced a story other that I 1941 01:35:14,540 --> 01:35:11,309 haven't seen anywhere else I don't know 1942 01:35:19,179 --> 01:35:14,550 if you have which is that it started 1943 01:35:21,589 --> 01:35:19,189 with his looking at cloud formation and 1944 01:35:26,389 --> 01:35:21,599 I'm wondering whether whether you make 1945 01:35:30,290 --> 01:35:26,399 anything out of that I just listened to 1946 01:35:32,619 --> 01:35:30,300 what he said I felt he was sincere I 1947 01:35:35,209 --> 01:35:32,629 couldn't believe he was in that case I 1948 01:35:39,349 --> 01:35:35,219 don't see a nut case there maybe I don't 1949 01:35:41,330 --> 01:35:39,359 know anything I don't see well I think 1950 01:35:43,580 --> 01:35:41,340 the implication here is that he's a 1951 01:35:46,849 --> 01:35:43,590 mental institution he's mentally ill and 1952 01:35:50,209 --> 01:35:46,859 therefore you can't believe anything he 1953 01:35:53,509 --> 01:35:50,219 says but he could have had a genuine 1954 01:35:55,459 --> 01:35:53,519 internal experience that opened him up 1955 01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:55,469 to something and that's no different 1956 01:36:02,439 --> 01:35:59,219 than a UFO abduction you you you quoted 1957 01:36:06,469 --> 01:36:02,449 you you put his story about how he he 1958 01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:06,479 went on a boat with his friends from the 1959 01:36:13,250 --> 01:36:10,409 underworld and they entered a cave and 1960 01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:13,260 then and and that was how they entered 1961 01:36:20,319 --> 01:36:16,289 the cave and then the Darrow attacked 1962 01:36:23,659 --> 01:36:20,329 them and killed everybody except him and 1963 01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:23,669 then he escaped in his boat and I had I 1964 01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:26,010 mean I have the sense that he's gone 1965 01:36:31,729 --> 01:36:30,090 into the realm of the dead and has it's 1966 01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:31,739 sort of like he's going back 1967 01:36:43,340 --> 01:36:39,780 the river styx yeah and if we're going 1968 01:36:47,180 --> 01:36:43,350 to assume that this the this mythology 1969 01:36:49,940 --> 01:36:47,190 of oven of an underworld of that you 1970 01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:49,950 reach by crossing a river is something 1971 01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:52,770 that's part of the human psyche then I 1972 01:36:58,450 --> 01:36:54,680 don't know why 1973 01:37:00,860 --> 01:36:58,460 shaver couldn't have experienced that 1974 01:37:04,370 --> 01:37:00,870 possibly triggered in some way that 1975 01:37:08,860 --> 01:37:04,380 never became clear to me by thee but by 1976 01:37:11,570 --> 01:37:08,870 the peculiar cloud formation that he saw 1977 01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:11,580 remember here also when I interviewed 1978 01:37:15,410 --> 01:37:13,800 Palmer he said something that he had 1979 01:37:20,050 --> 01:37:15,420 written about quite a few times he 1980 01:37:24,170 --> 01:37:20,060 stayed with shaver for a few days and 1981 01:37:26,870 --> 01:37:24,180 that night he heard voices - yeah he 1982 01:37:28,820 --> 01:37:26,880 said he heard multiple voices talking 1983 01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:28,830 over one another so it couldn't be 1984 01:37:37,940 --> 01:37:33,300 shaver doing this well that's 1985 01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:37,950 interesting yeah I mean or again if 1986 01:37:42,650 --> 01:37:40,320 we're if we're to look at the 1987 01:37:45,729 --> 01:37:42,660 possibility that there is some sort of 1988 01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:45,739 an objectively real external influence 1989 01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:49,530 we have the technology to make sounds 1990 01:37:57,979 --> 01:37:54,320 appear in people's minds now and so why 1991 01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,989 couldn't it be possible for some even us 1992 01:38:01,580 --> 01:37:59,760 to study that I suppose back then it 1993 01:38:06,260 --> 01:38:01,590 might have been a little too early but 1994 01:38:08,150 --> 01:38:06,270 if we have some alien anthropologists 1995 01:38:10,100 --> 01:38:08,160 wanting to study our reaction if they 1996 01:38:12,050 --> 01:38:10,110 could certainly do that just to see 1997 01:38:14,150 --> 01:38:12,060 what's going on in a mental hospital 1998 01:38:15,740 --> 01:38:14,160 would be a really interesting place to 1999 01:38:19,190 --> 01:38:15,750 do some of those exact kinds of 2000 01:38:21,770 --> 01:38:19,200 experiments so and you could run you you 2001 01:38:24,459 --> 01:38:21,780 could run it that way or you could run 2002 01:38:27,709 --> 01:38:24,469 at the apparition way that Palmer 2003 01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:27,719 experienced something that might be akin 2004 01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:32,489 to apparition that he heard voices that 2005 01:38:38,900 --> 01:38:35,210 came from inside him 2006 01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:38,910 sure but then again 2007 01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:40,320 how did they get there that's the 2008 01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:43,050 question here's that stimulus-response 2009 01:38:48,860 --> 01:38:46,800 again before before we get too far along 2010 01:38:50,930 --> 01:38:48,870 here what I'd like to do if it's okay 2011 01:38:54,490 --> 01:38:50,940 with you guys is we've got a question in 2012 01:38:57,710 --> 01:38:54,500 our question Bank on the forum from 2013 01:39:01,340 --> 01:38:57,720 oppose a poster who goes by the name of 2014 01:39:02,810 --> 01:39:01,350 Farley Goldstein and oh boy wait a 2015 01:39:07,870 --> 01:39:02,820 minute wait a minute what is that name 2016 01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:07,880 again sir far like Ghul Stein all right 2017 01:39:13,490 --> 01:39:11,790 yeah I don't know what that means or if 2018 01:39:17,980 --> 01:39:13,500 it means something just someone else I'm 2019 01:39:24,370 --> 01:39:22,100 let's see here he asks maybe UFOs are 2020 01:39:27,260 --> 01:39:24,380 not from space but how would reports 2021 01:39:31,460 --> 01:39:27,270 like the following arise solely from the 2022 01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:31,470 mind any cites the 1971 delphos landing 2023 01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:35,490 case the Terran fighter jet interception 2024 01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:38,010 where you have visual and radar and a 2025 01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:39,840 Nimitz case more recently where you've 2026 01:39:50,030 --> 01:39:45,210 got the FLIR and plus observation of 2027 01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:50,040 this tic-tac key UFO yeah there's a 2028 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:53,190 really good question I'll take the radar 2029 01:40:00,440 --> 01:39:56,490 visual evidence upsets me less than 2030 01:40:02,210 --> 01:40:00,450 things like Delta's okay that's it 2031 01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:02,220 because it seems to me that there are 2032 01:40:09,170 --> 01:40:05,490 numerous cases where things are detected 2033 01:40:11,780 --> 01:40:09,180 on radar and not seen including one of 2034 01:40:14,630 --> 01:40:11,790 the classic cases from the Belgian wave 2035 01:40:18,620 --> 01:40:14,640 or where they're seen but they never 2036 01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:18,630 appear on radar so I would be prepared 2037 01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:23,040 to say that the radar that radar visual 2038 01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:26,910 cases may be a coincidental intersection 2039 01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:31,170 of false radar returns and some sort of 2040 01:40:38,090 --> 01:40:35,010 illusion in the sky now what the del 2041 01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:38,100 Fausto is more problematic and I can 2042 01:40:42,530 --> 01:40:40,050 think of offhand I can think of three 2043 01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:42,540 cases like that there's transom I think 2044 01:40:46,940 --> 01:40:44,520 it's Tron Sun Provence and France and 2045 01:40:50,810 --> 01:40:46,950 the one that I know best which is the 2046 01:40:52,220 --> 01:40:50,820 core of New Mexico in 1964 where there 2047 01:40:56,780 --> 01:40:52,230 seemed to be 2048 01:41:00,140 --> 01:40:56,790 faces left behind by the UFOs in Socorro 2049 01:41:02,510 --> 01:41:00,150 it is possible that there was one 2050 01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:02,520 witness a patrolman named Zamora and 2051 01:41:07,729 --> 01:41:04,560 it's possible he could have dug those 2052 01:41:10,520 --> 01:41:07,739 holes himself but that would make him a 2053 01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:10,530 liar and a hoaxer and everybody who knew 2054 01:41:20,330 --> 01:41:15,890 him say that he's a truthful honest 2055 01:41:25,970 --> 01:41:20,340 serious law officer so I would say I 2056 01:41:31,670 --> 01:41:25,980 would say these ce2 uh incident they are 2057 01:41:35,780 --> 01:41:31,680 the real bone in my throat and I don't 2058 01:41:41,300 --> 01:41:35,790 know how to explain them I would though 2059 01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:41,310 flip it around and ask is it likely that 2060 01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:44,690 if we were being visited by 2061 01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:47,940 extraterrestrial aircraft for a period 2062 01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:50,850 now of 70 years that we would have 2063 01:42:03,890 --> 01:41:56,690 something like three cases of really 2064 01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:03,900 difficult to explain uh physical traces 2065 01:42:10,460 --> 01:42:06,930 left behind I would expect many many 2066 01:42:13,330 --> 01:42:10,470 more that's the interesting part about 2067 01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:13,340 it yes it's the lack of verifiable 2068 01:42:18,979 --> 01:42:16,290 scientifically valid material evidence 2069 01:42:23,150 --> 01:42:18,989 that's one of the first things that I is 2070 01:42:26,150 --> 01:42:23,160 a ufologist have to readily admit right 2071 01:42:28,130 --> 01:42:26,160 up front and it I think a lot of other 2072 01:42:30,590 --> 01:42:28,140 you've all just don't want to they want 2073 01:42:33,620 --> 01:42:30,600 to continue believing and they're or 2074 01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:33,630 they'll avoid the question but I think 2075 01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:35,370 if we're going to make any progress it's 2076 01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:38,130 one of the things that we need to face 2077 01:42:43,660 --> 01:42:40,560 the facts about that at least we in the 2078 01:42:46,820 --> 01:42:43,670 public don't have that kind of evidence 2079 01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:46,830 but then again is that the only evidence 2080 01:42:57,530 --> 01:42:50,130 that's sufficient to substantiate belief 2081 01:43:00,190 --> 01:42:57,540 yeah and according to the country's 2082 01:43:05,660 --> 01:43:00,200 newspaper of record the New York Times 2083 01:43:09,410 --> 01:43:05,670 from glas December somewhere in I think 2084 01:43:14,050 --> 01:43:09,420 angers in Las Vegas there are pieces of 2085 01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:14,060 metal retrieved from UFOs that have 2086 01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:16,920 compounds unknown on earth this is 2087 01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:20,610 reported by ralph Blumenthal who is one 2088 01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,650 of the New York Times reporters and who 2089 01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:24,960 wrote an extremely fine article a few 2090 01:43:33,140 --> 01:43:27,690 years ago about John Mack 2091 01:43:35,930 --> 01:43:33,150 now if these pieces of metal that were 2092 01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:35,940 reported last December turn out number 2093 01:43:46,189 --> 01:43:40,560 one to exist number two to be examined 2094 01:43:49,100 --> 01:43:46,199 by scientists of coming through that 2095 01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:49,110 from different approaches who publicly 2096 01:43:56,140 --> 01:43:52,110 declare them to be compounds unknown to 2097 01:43:59,600 --> 01:43:56,150 earth then I am gonna have to surrender 2098 01:44:02,270 --> 01:43:59,610 but I must tell you I am not expecting 2099 01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:02,280 that to happen yeah I wouldn't expect it 2100 01:44:06,290 --> 01:44:04,020 to happen either because it never 2101 01:44:09,740 --> 01:44:06,300 happens in the UFO field we always think 2102 01:44:12,260 --> 01:44:09,750 we have a smoking gun and it just 2103 01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:12,270 fizzles we're not gonna fizzle now I'm 2104 01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:14,280 gonna remind you that we have the power 2105 01:44:18,530 --> 01:44:16,890 cast plus with the ad-free version of 2106 01:44:22,010 --> 01:44:18,540 this show and after the powertest 2107 01:44:24,350 --> 01:44:22,020 podcast available for prices starting at 2108 01:44:26,209 --> 01:44:24,360 just a dollar forty nine and don't 2109 01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:26,219 forget we're coming up on the 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--> 01:48:34,920 who Elijah I guess was taken bodily to 2194 01:48:38,750 --> 01:48:36,840 heaven he has underlined here 2195 01:48:41,810 --> 01:48:38,760 did those Chronicles and readers think 2196 01:48:43,220 --> 01:48:41,820 it was just some mental perception kind 2197 01:48:46,250 --> 01:48:43,230 of thing or did they think he literally 2198 01:48:48,980 --> 01:48:46,260 was taken to another realm and don't 2199 01:48:52,030 --> 01:48:48,990 most Orthodox Jews and Christians think 2200 01:48:55,700 --> 01:48:52,040 it was literal well I'll put on here my 2201 01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,710 my my Jewish history had and say yeah I 2202 01:49:01,820 --> 01:48:58,320 think the author of that story certainly 2203 01:49:04,510 --> 01:49:01,830 intended it to be literal I would not 2204 01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:04,520 see it as the UFO it was definitely an 2205 01:49:10,610 --> 01:49:08,730 identified flying object that the belief 2206 01:49:14,270 --> 01:49:10,620 of the ancient Israelites was that God 2207 01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:14,280 like a human King had his chariotry 2208 01:49:20,270 --> 01:49:17,370 around him the 68th Psalm says that the 2209 01:49:23,810 --> 01:49:20,280 divine Sharia tree is to myriad 2210 01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:23,820 thousands of Chinon whatever shin on our 2211 01:49:29,230 --> 01:49:26,520 the Lord is among them Sinai and 2212 01:49:32,300 --> 01:49:29,240 holiness so there's absolutely no reason 2213 01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:32,310 why one of those chariots shouldn't be 2214 01:49:37,740 --> 01:49:33,850 detached 2215 01:49:39,780 --> 01:49:37,750 come on and pick up Elijah so I have no 2216 01:49:42,690 --> 01:49:39,790 problem with understanding the story of 2217 01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:42,700 Elijah of Elijah's being carried off in 2218 01:49:48,450 --> 01:49:46,150 a fiery chariot to heaven I certainly 2219 01:49:52,230 --> 01:49:48,460 don't believe it actually happened now 2220 01:49:57,180 --> 01:49:52,240 what I do believe happened and what does 2221 01:50:01,070 --> 01:49:57,190 seem to me to be a UFO is what Ezekiel 2222 01:50:04,370 --> 01:50:01,080 sees in his vision in the first chapter 2223 01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:04,380 because there he's describing something 2224 01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:09,700 that doesn't fit in any of the boxes we 2225 01:50:16,170 --> 01:50:12,880 might try to stuff it into it doesn't 2226 01:50:18,750 --> 01:50:16,180 fit in with the imagery or the art of 2227 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:18,760 the ancient Near East it doesn't fit in 2228 01:50:23,310 --> 01:50:21,610 with traditional Israelite belief and it 2229 01:50:25,890 --> 01:50:23,320 doesn't fit in all that well with modern 2230 01:50:28,140 --> 01:50:25,900 spaceships either so that this is 2231 01:50:31,260 --> 01:50:28,150 something I would call the genuinely I 2232 01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:31,270 unidentified and that's coming from 2233 01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:34,570 insiders ETO and I think probably Jung 2234 01:50:40,530 --> 01:50:37,450 is right to see in the know the number 2235 01:50:42,990 --> 01:50:40,540 four that keeps cropping up their 2236 01:50:45,630 --> 01:50:43,000 reference to the quaternary archetype 2237 01:50:49,230 --> 01:50:45,640 and this is also something that I'm 2238 01:50:50,970 --> 01:50:49,240 writing about in the book is Ezekiel you 2239 01:50:54,510 --> 01:50:50,980 might have to help me out here a little 2240 01:50:58,440 --> 01:50:54,520 bit because I don't have my Bible CD 2241 01:50:59,850 --> 01:50:58,450 here plugged in so but doesn't he say 2242 01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:59,860 something about it you know he observed 2243 01:51:04,890 --> 01:51:02,080 a whirlwind coming towards him off from 2244 01:51:08,130 --> 01:51:04,900 in the distance and as it drew closer he 2245 01:51:10,770 --> 01:51:08,140 could see that it had it was shaped like 2246 01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:10,780 a wheel it had these things resembling 2247 01:51:15,660 --> 01:51:13,330 faces on the you know so we might 2248 01:51:17,970 --> 01:51:15,670 translate that in our modern times to 2249 01:51:19,230 --> 01:51:17,980 something like maybe portals with you 2250 01:51:21,780 --> 01:51:19,240 know people looking out of them that 2251 01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:21,790 sort of thing but we really have to 2252 01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:24,850 force her to force it into that into 2253 01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:27,550 that mold as it I have a Bible actually 2254 01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:30,310 right here so we can we can look at 2255 01:51:37,980 --> 01:51:35,440 Ezekiel words that's he that I looked 2256 01:51:40,710 --> 01:51:37,990 and behold a stormy wind came out of the 2257 01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:40,720 north and a great cloud with brightness 2258 01:51:46,740 --> 01:51:44,170 around about it and fire flashing forth 2259 01:51:47,399 --> 01:51:46,750 continually and in the midst of the fire 2260 01:51:50,549 --> 01:51:47,409 as it 2261 01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:50,559 were gleaming bronze and from the midst 2262 01:51:54,540 --> 01:51:52,239 of it came the likeness of four living 2263 01:51:57,779 --> 01:51:54,550 creatures and this was their appearance 2264 01:52:00,179 --> 01:51:57,789 they had the form of men but each had 2265 01:52:02,850 --> 01:52:00,189 four faces and each of them had four 2266 01:52:04,890 --> 01:52:02,860 wings and I won't read the whole thing 2267 01:52:07,979 --> 01:52:04,900 but then he goes on to describe how they 2268 01:52:10,259 --> 01:52:07,989 have four faces like the face of a man 2269 01:52:13,319 --> 01:52:10,269 the face of a lion the face of an art 2270 01:52:15,870 --> 01:52:13,329 and the face of an eagle and then only 2271 01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:15,880 after describing these creatures 2272 01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:19,510 I saw a wheel upon the earth beside the 2273 01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:22,570 living creatures one for each of the 2274 01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:25,090 four of them as for the appearance of 2275 01:52:29,729 --> 01:52:27,489 the wheels and their construction they 2276 01:52:33,469 --> 01:52:29,739 were as I'm skipping a few words they 2277 01:52:35,909 --> 01:52:33,479 were as it were a wheel within a wheel 2278 01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:35,919 when the living creatures went the 2279 01:52:39,959 --> 01:52:38,169 wheels went behind them when the living 2280 01:52:42,839 --> 01:52:39,969 creatures rose from the earth the wheels 2281 01:52:46,529 --> 01:52:42,849 rose I don't think you're gonna get a 2282 01:52:49,699 --> 01:52:46,539 very good UFO sighting out of that well 2283 01:52:52,739 --> 01:52:49,709 it sounds a lot like some sort of flying 2284 01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:52,749 construction of some sort I mean if we 2285 01:52:56,279 --> 01:52:54,489 look at a you know look at some of the 2286 01:52:58,500 --> 01:52:56,289 drones that we have these days we've got 2287 01:53:01,319 --> 01:52:58,510 you know they got the circular many of 2288 01:53:03,959 --> 01:53:01,329 them have four circular propellers that 2289 01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:03,969 are surrounded by a circular sort of 2290 01:53:09,839 --> 01:53:06,400 protection thing so what do you do with 2291 01:53:11,819 --> 01:53:09,849 the four fight creatures well this was 2292 01:53:14,159 --> 01:53:11,829 you know there's maybe whereas some of 2293 01:53:15,870 --> 01:53:14,169 this symbolism comes in a perhaps back 2294 01:53:18,689 --> 01:53:15,880 in those days I mean those animals could 2295 01:53:21,509 --> 01:53:18,699 have been symbols of other tribes or 2296 01:53:24,750 --> 01:53:21,519 nations or we see them in hieroglyphics 2297 01:53:27,149 --> 01:53:24,760 for example and in storms are just 2298 01:53:29,459 --> 01:53:27,159 storms and they are known for their 2299 01:53:32,279 --> 01:53:29,469 electromagnetic effects so maybe 2300 01:53:35,609 --> 01:53:32,289 something happened to them like happened 2301 01:53:38,219 --> 01:53:35,619 to Calvin and you know and in Charles 2302 01:53:40,739 --> 01:53:38,229 where they there was some e/m thing that 2303 01:53:42,949 --> 01:53:40,749 sent them into a fugue state all right 2304 01:53:45,839 --> 01:53:42,959 and then we're back with Persinger right 2305 01:53:49,469 --> 01:53:45,849 but that seems to actually make sense 2306 01:53:52,020 --> 01:53:49,479 yeah which still leaves that as it 2307 01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:52,030 leaves with Hickson and Parker leaves 2308 01:54:00,030 --> 01:53:55,449 open the question of why Ezekiel sees 2309 01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:00,040 the things he sees why doesn't he 2310 01:54:06,780 --> 01:54:04,090 something different and I understand it 2311 01:54:09,210 --> 01:54:06,790 I'm sorry that's nice okay go ahead 2312 01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:09,220 the standard approach is to say well 2313 01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:11,890 this is the iconography of the ancient 2314 01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:14,410 Near East but I must say when I studied 2315 01:54:20,340 --> 01:54:16,450 this I couldn't find anything quite like 2316 01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:20,350 it I mean you've got human faced animals 2317 01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:23,110 all over the place the Egyptian sphinx 2318 01:54:29,340 --> 01:54:26,050 is the the classic example of it and 2319 01:54:32,190 --> 01:54:29,350 then those winged monsters with human 2320 01:54:36,570 --> 01:54:32,200 faces that you have on Assyrian 2321 01:54:41,190 --> 01:54:36,580 sculptures but human forms with animal 2322 01:54:42,030 --> 01:54:41,200 faces are very rare and I can't think of 2323 01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:42,040 a single one 2324 01:54:50,250 --> 01:54:46,210 that's like Ezekiel a human form with 2325 01:54:52,410 --> 01:54:50,260 four faces and of course Jung would say 2326 01:54:56,340 --> 01:54:52,420 well that's the paternity three animal 2327 01:55:00,420 --> 01:54:56,350 faces and and a human place and I think 2328 01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:00,430 Jung is is probably closer to the truth 2329 01:55:07,170 --> 01:55:04,900 than most of the Bible specialists but 2330 01:55:09,900 --> 01:55:07,180 then again I mean I'm not a Bible expert 2331 01:55:14,580 --> 01:55:09,910 but it seems that a lot of at least the 2332 01:55:16,980 --> 01:55:14,590 King James Version was created much 2333 01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:16,990 later by people who like to tell stories 2334 01:55:23,550 --> 01:55:21,010 and they found the manuscripts and can 2335 01:55:28,170 --> 01:55:23,560 pretty much trace it back now - you know 2336 01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:28,180 well after the fact so yeah these could 2337 01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:31,210 be things just people dreamed up I doubt 2338 01:55:36,600 --> 01:55:33,730 if that late I mean the King James Bible 2339 01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:36,610 and my experience is really pretty good 2340 01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:39,730 that uh that he that his translators did 2341 01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:42,040 the best job they could I mean they made 2342 01:55:47,670 --> 01:55:45,490 some mistakes but but but by and large 2343 01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:47,680 they conveyed the Hebrew and in the New 2344 01:55:53,760 --> 01:55:50,800 Testament the Greek very well the 2345 01:55:56,850 --> 01:55:53,770 problem would be in the in the Hebrew 2346 01:55:59,520 --> 01:55:56,860 text which is frequently very jumbled 2347 01:56:02,190 --> 01:55:59,530 and I don't know whether that's because 2348 01:56:04,530 --> 01:56:02,200 as the conventional scholars say because 2349 01:56:07,530 --> 01:56:04,540 there's a lot of rewriting going on in 2350 01:56:11,970 --> 01:56:07,540 it as its transmitted or whether we've 2351 01:56:13,890 --> 01:56:11,980 got a person who is trying to get down 2352 01:56:18,149 --> 01:56:13,900 on paper something that he's 2353 01:56:21,090 --> 01:56:18,159 period that he really doesn't doesn't 2354 01:56:23,550 --> 01:56:21,100 understand and like some things in our 2355 01:56:25,290 --> 01:56:23,560 dreams that he can't quite grasp which 2356 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:25,300 is a phenomenon I think we know with 2357 01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:27,850 with modern UFO sightings also that 2358 01:56:33,740 --> 01:56:30,610 people are grope for words to try to 2359 01:56:36,959 --> 01:56:33,750 describe something that's beyond words 2360 01:56:38,790 --> 01:56:36,969 so one more question from the question 2361 01:56:44,669 --> 01:56:38,800 Bank we are you familiar with the 2362 01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:44,679 comater report the the comater report 2363 01:56:51,630 --> 01:56:48,850 from France no I'm not oh okay 2364 01:56:54,570 --> 01:56:51,640 hey guys we got a break for some more 2365 01:56:57,570 --> 01:56:54,580 fun and games and then back with David 2366 01:56:58,740 --> 01:56:57,580 Halpern covering all sorts of things I 2367 01:57:01,020 --> 01:56:58,750 was going to start talking about that 2368 01:57:03,240 --> 01:57:01,030 dream article but I think this is more 2369 01:57:05,939 --> 01:57:03,250 fascinating because we're getting into 2370 01:57:07,850 --> 01:57:05,949 some real fundamentals 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the para cast calm that's 2469 02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:33,890 news at the para cast dot-com and don't 2470 02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:35,810 forget to visit our famous para cast 2471 02:01:43,660 --> 02:01:38,930 community forums at forum dot the para 2472 02:01:45,670 --> 02:01:43,670 cast dot-com we have David Halpern UFO 2473 02:01:48,190 --> 02:01:45,680 investigator religious scholar 2474 02:01:51,070 --> 02:01:48,200 man-about-town who know I was going to 2475 02:01:53,950 --> 02:01:51,080 do something else from an old pulp novel 2476 02:01:56,620 --> 02:01:53,960 who learned in the Orient the powers to 2477 02:01:58,120 --> 02:01:56,630 cloud men's minds so they cannot see him 2478 02:02:01,690 --> 02:01:58,130 that's Lamont Cranston 2479 02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:01,700 I love lies already of those did you 2480 02:02:06,340 --> 02:02:03,050 ever listen to those things David 2481 02:02:09,910 --> 02:02:06,350 certainly they came up rate I did I did 2482 02:02:13,270 --> 02:02:09,920 not you did not I did not listen to 2483 02:02:16,630 --> 02:02:13,280 those shows ah they used to play them 2484 02:02:20,860 --> 02:02:16,640 here late at night on the AM radio and I 2485 02:02:23,770 --> 02:02:20,870 absolutely loved them I was my bedtime I 2486 02:02:25,990 --> 02:02:23,780 was just I was I was transported back in 2487 02:02:28,600 --> 02:02:26,000 time to I don't know when they were at 2488 02:02:30,790 --> 02:02:28,610 the forties genie giveth 30s and 40s and 2489 02:02:33,700 --> 02:02:30,800 the shadow starts from the early 2490 02:02:35,410 --> 02:02:33,710 thirties and I'll give a very brief 2491 02:02:38,350 --> 02:02:35,420 description here because I don't want to 2492 02:02:41,410 --> 02:02:38,360 take away from David Stein a lot of the 2493 02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:41,420 shadow novels published by Street and 2494 02:02:49,060 --> 02:02:44,330 Smith were written under an assumed aim 2495 02:02:52,660 --> 02:02:49,070 by Walter B Gibson a magician and writer 2496 02:02:55,240 --> 02:02:52,670 who was a very regular guest on the Long 2497 02:02:57,630 --> 02:02:55,250 John Neville radio show he wrote to over 2498 02:02:59,610 --> 02:02:57,640 300 shadow novels 2499 02:03:02,160 --> 02:02:59,620 of course Orson Welles was one of the 2500 02:03:06,030 --> 02:03:02,170 actors who played the shadow on radio 2501 02:03:09,210 --> 02:03:06,040 and in a movie from I think 1994 Alec 2502 02:03:12,020 --> 02:03:09,220 Baldwin played Lamont Cranston and the 2503 02:03:15,660 --> 02:03:12,030 shadow let's go on with other stuff 2504 02:03:16,890 --> 02:03:15,670 Randall right yeah we were just touching 2505 02:03:21,450 --> 02:03:16,900 on the question from the question Bank 2506 02:03:23,460 --> 02:03:21,460 about the comater report which was I 2507 02:03:26,940 --> 02:03:23,470 think was originally called UFOs and 2508 02:03:28,890 --> 02:03:26,950 defense and published in France it 2509 02:03:30,300 --> 02:03:28,900 includes a whole bunch of cases there 2510 02:03:30,900 --> 02:03:30,310 that they went into and quite some 2511 02:03:33,390 --> 02:03:30,910 detail 2512 02:03:36,900 --> 02:03:33,400 I guess that the inference of the 2513 02:03:40,620 --> 02:03:36,910 question is are those types of reports 2514 02:03:44,010 --> 02:03:40,630 is all as easily explained as purely 2515 02:03:45,270 --> 02:03:44,020 mental phenomena has the rest but I 2516 02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:45,280 guess if you're not familiar with the 2517 02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:46,570 report then that would be kind of tough 2518 02:03:52,220 --> 02:03:50,110 to answer it would be okay that was a 2519 02:03:54,600 --> 02:03:52,230 quick answer that was a quick one yeah 2520 02:03:57,240 --> 02:03:54,610 there are things that I have not 2521 02:04:02,100 --> 02:03:57,250 considered which is certainly true which 2522 02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:02,110 is certainly true Jeanne what is that 2523 02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:03,490 you're familiar with the committee 2524 02:04:08,450 --> 02:04:05,890 report right you can download the 2525 02:04:12,150 --> 02:04:08,460 various PDFs and read through them and 2526 02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:12,160 so you get a pretty good idea about what 2527 02:04:16,110 --> 02:04:14,770 they're getting out there I suppose that 2528 02:04:18,420 --> 02:04:16,120 if you're dealing with it from a 2529 02:04:20,100 --> 02:04:18,430 national defense perspective then we're 2530 02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:20,110 back to that sort of if you see 2531 02:04:26,580 --> 02:04:23,890 everything as an as a nail then you was 2532 02:04:28,950 --> 02:04:26,590 inclined to hit it with the hammer right 2533 02:04:30,450 --> 02:04:28,960 so if you're good if the only tool is a 2534 02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:30,460 hammer you see everything is a nail 2535 02:04:35,100 --> 02:04:33,490 right okay so I had it backwards but but 2536 02:04:36,510 --> 02:04:35,110 essentially I guess if you if you're 2537 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:36,520 looking at it from a Defense Department 2538 02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:38,890 perspective then you're going to be 2539 02:04:43,890 --> 02:04:41,410 looking at them as alien crap that have 2540 02:04:48,990 --> 02:04:43,900 the potential to cause a security 2541 02:04:52,230 --> 02:04:49,000 problem and certainly they never had we 2542 02:04:53,700 --> 02:04:52,240 know that after 70 years or so some 2543 02:04:56,340 --> 02:04:53,710 people say I mean there's others who 2544 02:05:00,000 --> 02:04:56,350 would say okay well you know we've got 2545 02:05:02,630 --> 02:05:00,010 the UFOs and nukes people who say well 2546 02:05:05,130 --> 02:05:02,640 clubs I guess if we were to take your 2547 02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:05,140 perspective we had a number of people 2548 02:05:10,970 --> 02:05:08,050 who have had these experiences near 2549 02:05:13,550 --> 02:05:10,980 nuclear facilities I mean 2550 02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:13,560 clear weapons facilities missile bases 2551 02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:16,410 and so on and they've been pursued by 2552 02:05:23,140 --> 02:05:20,610 our military so if actual aliens aren't 2553 02:05:27,290 --> 02:05:23,150 posing a security threat maybe it's the 2554 02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:27,300 perception conceivably but it seemed 2555 02:05:33,140 --> 02:05:29,610 there seems to be no reason to think the 2556 02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:33,150 aliens are I mean in her book or what is 2557 02:05:39,140 --> 02:05:35,970 it came out about eight ten years ago 2558 02:05:42,350 --> 02:05:39,150 Leslie came says we need to watch out 2559 02:05:45,650 --> 02:05:42,360 that UFOs are a hazard to air travel 2560 02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:45,660 which sounds plausible enough but it is 2561 02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:47,010 striking if these things have been 2562 02:05:50,770 --> 02:05:49,530 flying around for 70 years they've never 2563 02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:50,780 been an accident 2564 02:05:56,570 --> 02:05:54,690 then again I suppose the you know we'd 2565 02:05:59,630 --> 02:05:56,580 cite back to a number of crashes that 2566 02:06:02,840 --> 02:05:59,640 are connected directly with UFO reports 2567 02:06:05,150 --> 02:06:02,850 specifically military whens I mean you 2568 02:06:07,430 --> 02:06:05,160 know not that the least of which would 2569 02:06:09,800 --> 02:06:07,440 be the Mantell case type of thing I 2570 02:06:13,610 --> 02:06:09,810 think has been pretty convincingly 2571 02:06:16,100 --> 02:06:13,620 explained yeah reasonably well so but 2572 02:06:18,860 --> 02:06:16,110 Stanton Friedman eminent ufologist he 2573 02:06:20,510 --> 02:06:18,870 would say well he was too good a pilot 2574 02:06:24,140 --> 02:06:20,520 to think it was just a big balloon he 2575 02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:24,150 was chasing after really that nobody 2576 02:06:29,780 --> 02:06:27,170 knew about those guys balloons back then 2577 02:06:32,210 --> 02:06:29,790 that strictly speaking it was an 2578 02:06:33,470 --> 02:06:32,220 unidentified flying object that there 2579 02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:33,480 are many people people were aware of 2580 02:06:40,460 --> 02:06:37,770 their existence right so you know that's 2581 02:06:42,020 --> 02:06:40,470 what we're left with is that when hand 2582 02:06:43,550 --> 02:06:42,030 we say well he's you should have been a 2583 02:06:44,860 --> 02:06:43,560 good enough pilot to realize what was 2584 02:06:49,400 --> 02:06:44,870 going on he wouldn't normally have 2585 02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:49,410 crashed his airplane you but I guess 2586 02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:51,450 accidents happen but then other people 2587 02:06:56,720 --> 02:06:53,760 have cited a whole number of other 2588 02:06:59,780 --> 02:06:56,730 incidents as well and the one that 2589 02:07:02,390 --> 02:06:59,790 really gets me okay if we have to really 2590 02:07:04,640 --> 02:07:02,400 look at it at a case one that I thought 2591 02:07:08,720 --> 02:07:04,650 was fairly easily written off at first 2592 02:07:10,850 --> 02:07:08,730 was 252 Washington DC case because there 2593 02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:10,860 they did identify some temperature 2594 02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:13,530 inversions and they did determine that 2595 02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:15,840 at least one of the radar returns was 2596 02:07:20,060 --> 02:07:17,730 off something that was conventional I 2597 02:07:24,750 --> 02:07:20,070 believe it was something or Barger boat 2598 02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:24,760 in the river however there was so much a 2599 02:07:31,050 --> 02:07:28,030 their stuff involved with that people 2600 02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:31,060 seeing the lights to separate radar 2601 02:07:37,800 --> 02:07:33,130 stations tracking them and in one 2602 02:07:42,360 --> 02:07:37,810 instance they had radar tracking vector 2603 02:07:46,050 --> 02:07:42,370 a jet to intercept these objects and the 2604 02:07:48,300 --> 02:07:46,060 pilot saw the objects at the same time 2605 02:07:51,090 --> 02:07:48,310 as the radar stations were tracking the 2606 02:07:53,580 --> 02:07:51,100 plane and when they came into visual 2607 02:07:56,220 --> 02:07:53,590 view the pilot asked what he should do 2608 02:07:59,580 --> 02:07:56,230 and whether or not he should try firing 2609 02:08:03,120 --> 02:07:59,590 upon them and nobody knew what to do so 2610 02:08:05,460 --> 02:08:03,130 they surrounded his planes clearly saw 2611 02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:05,470 them while his plane and these objects 2612 02:08:08,580 --> 02:08:07,090 were being tracked on radar and then 2613 02:08:11,430 --> 02:08:08,590 they just streaked off into the distance 2614 02:08:13,290 --> 02:08:11,440 now was everybody just having a 2615 02:08:15,060 --> 02:08:13,300 hallucination the radar operators the 2616 02:08:17,700 --> 02:08:15,070 people watching on the ground to pilot 2617 02:08:19,370 --> 02:08:17,710 that just doesn't seem reasonable no I 2618 02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:19,380 would agree with you that I think that 2619 02:08:25,470 --> 02:08:23,170 where you've got the radar and that 2620 02:08:28,200 --> 02:08:25,480 psychological explanation does not work 2621 02:08:30,540 --> 02:08:28,210 that will you know I could see where say 2622 02:08:33,390 --> 02:08:30,550 where you only have the radar return and 2623 02:08:35,190 --> 02:08:33,400 no visual then you might wonder or if 2624 02:08:37,460 --> 02:08:35,200 you have the visual and no radar but in 2625 02:08:39,660 --> 02:08:37,470 a case where you've got both and 2626 02:08:41,700 --> 02:08:39,670 apparently there was quite a number of 2627 02:08:44,940 --> 02:08:41,710 these cases rappelled goes into that in 2628 02:08:47,550 --> 02:08:44,950 his when it is classic books a report on 2629 02:08:49,770 --> 02:08:47,560 unidentified flying objects he visited 2630 02:08:52,140 --> 02:08:49,780 air bases where commanders of those 2631 02:08:55,260 --> 02:08:52,150 bases had had their just scrambled after 2632 02:08:59,160 --> 02:08:55,270 them a number of times he opens his book 2633 02:09:02,670 --> 02:08:59,170 with the case of a UFO being intercepted 2634 02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:02,680 in daylight closing in on it and 2635 02:09:07,140 --> 02:09:05,440 actually firing upon the thing you've 2636 02:09:09,060 --> 02:09:07,150 got a really good question for me which 2637 02:09:10,710 --> 02:09:09,070 I can't answer but I'm gonna be very 2638 02:09:13,140 --> 02:09:10,720 unfair and I'm gonna flip it around and 2639 02:09:16,620 --> 02:09:13,150 ask you what do we do with the cases 2640 02:09:19,050 --> 02:09:16,630 where there are radar returns but nobody 2641 02:09:20,970 --> 02:09:19,060 sees anything or where people see things 2642 02:09:23,880 --> 02:09:20,980 and they're not directly detected on 2643 02:09:25,800 --> 02:09:23,890 radar that's good I suppose you could 2644 02:09:28,340 --> 02:09:25,810 say well maybe they have radar cloaking 2645 02:09:31,050 --> 02:09:28,350 and visual cloaking so they can 2646 02:09:32,820 --> 02:09:31,060 manipulate that it will they can make 2647 02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:32,830 their craft look like whatever they want 2648 02:09:38,100 --> 02:09:36,010 us to think they want us to look at they 2649 02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:38,110 can make it invisible to our radar or 2650 02:09:40,710 --> 02:09:38,560 they can make 2651 02:09:43,070 --> 02:09:40,720 get available depending on how they want 2652 02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:43,080 to mil manipulate our perception of them 2653 02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:45,970 at which point the hypothesis becomes a 2654 02:09:51,630 --> 02:09:48,880 bit too brodien it did it changes shape 2655 02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:51,640 too much but that's what makes it 2656 02:09:56,070 --> 02:09:52,330 interesting 2657 02:09:58,470 --> 02:09:56,080 no hey guys we got a break let's persist 2658 02:10:09,540 --> 02:09:58,480 with this in our next segment with David 2659 02:10:17,779 --> 02:10:13,980 thank you for listening to GCS visit GC 2660 02:10:22,139 --> 02:10:20,039 most of you know that heart disease is 2661 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to the podcast the gold 2758 02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:45,020 we were just talking about that 2759 02:14:51,770 --> 02:14:48,690 connection again where if we are dealing 2760 02:14:55,340 --> 02:14:51,780 with an alien intelligence with advanced 2761 02:14:58,220 --> 02:14:55,350 technology we could have as you know an 2762 02:15:01,010 --> 02:14:58,230 overlapping set of circumstances on our 2763 02:15:04,520 --> 02:15:01,020 Venn diagram here where you know in a 2764 02:15:09,020 --> 02:15:04,530 number of cases is it is purely mental 2765 02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:09,030 in other cases there is a an actual 2766 02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:12,480 physical craft or something that is seen 2767 02:15:18,080 --> 02:15:14,970 that it corresponds to an objective 2768 02:15:19,790 --> 02:15:18,090 reality and then there's all of this 2769 02:15:23,380 --> 02:15:19,800 deception that could be taking place 2770 02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:23,390 because they're capable of doing that 2771 02:15:31,550 --> 02:15:27,690 well so as a as at least the famous 2772 02:15:36,970 --> 02:15:31,560 Fothergill case I mean from Papua New 2773 02:15:39,500 --> 02:15:36,980 Guinean in June of 1959 I mean this is 2774 02:15:41,180 --> 02:15:39,510 this is famous in the literature because 2775 02:15:44,420 --> 02:15:41,190 we have what seems to be an 2776 02:15:49,400 --> 02:15:44,430 unimpeachable witness a an Anglican 2777 02:15:52,010 --> 02:15:49,410 missionary in Papua that his account of 2778 02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:52,020 the reciting was undersigned by 2779 02:15:59,570 --> 02:15:56,370 something like 20 out of 35 of the 2780 02:16:04,300 --> 02:15:59,580 proponents in his flock and he describes 2781 02:16:07,580 --> 02:16:04,310 the closeup observation of discs with 2782 02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:07,590 human beings here he has no doubt they 2783 02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:09,930 were human beings walking around on 2784 02:16:13,940 --> 02:16:12,480 their decks I say he has no doubt they 2785 02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:13,950 were human beings even though they're 2786 02:16:20,030 --> 02:16:16,800 luminous and at times he thinks of them 2787 02:16:23,060 --> 02:16:20,040 as angels they're certainly not the 2788 02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:23,070 conventional Whitley Strieber grades so 2789 02:16:28,900 --> 02:16:26,370 what exactly is he seeing now at a 2790 02:16:31,160 --> 02:16:28,910 Marten caught Meyer who was one of the 2791 02:16:32,750 --> 02:16:31,170 ufologist and I would say I call me 2792 02:16:37,759 --> 02:16:32,760 ufologist even though he's a skeptic 2793 02:16:41,660 --> 02:16:37,769 whom I most respect has examined a map 2794 02:16:44,270 --> 02:16:41,670 of the object that Gill saw and found 2795 02:16:48,560 --> 02:16:44,280 that they correspond pretty closely to 2796 02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:48,570 bright stars and planets and to say that 2797 02:16:51,330 --> 02:16:50,370 they're stars and planets would explain 2798 02:16:53,310 --> 02:16:51,340 why they 2799 02:16:57,690 --> 02:16:53,320 seem to appear and disappear as the 2800 02:17:04,259 --> 02:16:57,700 clouds thicken and disperse and yet what 2801 02:17:08,580 --> 02:17:04,269 kill and the Papuan see is not stars and 2802 02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:08,590 planets they see disks with men walking 2803 02:17:15,330 --> 02:17:11,920 around on top of them so I would have to 2804 02:17:19,980 --> 02:17:15,340 say yes they are seeing the heavenly 2805 02:17:23,129 --> 02:17:19,990 bodies which are triggering religious 2806 02:17:25,139 --> 02:17:23,139 vision and that the two that the two 2807 02:17:28,020 --> 02:17:25,149 explanations have to function together 2808 02:17:29,639 --> 02:17:28,030 but I guess that depends on you these 2809 02:17:31,770 --> 02:17:29,649 things would have to be pretty close in 2810 02:17:34,349 --> 02:17:31,780 order for someone to actually see people 2811 02:17:36,270 --> 02:17:34,359 on them otherwise 2812 02:17:39,240 --> 02:17:36,280 we're just sort of imagining and filling 2813 02:17:41,520 --> 02:17:39,250 it in if what all we're talking about is 2814 02:17:43,349 --> 02:17:41,530 a speck of light off in the distance 2815 02:17:45,900 --> 02:17:43,359 that looks like there's something moving 2816 02:17:47,669 --> 02:17:45,910 around on it well okay maybe that's the 2817 02:17:49,709 --> 02:17:47,679 star planet and you're just filling in 2818 02:17:53,370 --> 02:17:49,719 the rest but if the thing takes up a 2819 02:17:55,379 --> 02:17:53,380 appreciable amount of degrees in arc 2820 02:17:57,209 --> 02:17:55,389 minutes across the sky say it's as big 2821 02:17:59,520 --> 02:17:57,219 as a plate held at arm's length or 2822 02:18:02,459 --> 02:17:59,530 something and you can see these beings 2823 02:18:04,020 --> 02:18:02,469 clearly walking around then you're 2824 02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:04,030 dealing with something that cannot 2825 02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:06,399 possibly be a star planet regardless of 2826 02:18:14,669 --> 02:18:12,880 what position in the sky it is well you 2827 02:18:17,250 --> 02:18:14,679 know we've provided a plausible 2828 02:18:21,599 --> 02:18:17,260 explanation technological one for that 2829 02:18:24,330 --> 02:18:21,609 in the case of this particular New 2830 02:18:26,310 --> 02:18:24,340 Guinea case well perhaps if we're 2831 02:18:29,520 --> 02:18:26,320 talking about real aliens that the craft 2832 02:18:30,060 --> 02:18:29,530 itself and the people were not really 2833 02:18:33,389 --> 02:18:30,070 there 2834 02:18:35,160 --> 02:18:33,399 they were projections some of some type 2835 02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:35,170 that they have the technology to do 2836 02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:36,370 maybe some sort of holographic 2837 02:18:44,070 --> 02:18:39,519 projection to display in a theatrical 2838 02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:44,080 sense a vision for these people and then 2839 02:18:49,889 --> 02:18:46,960 to later see what how it involves how 2840 02:18:51,570 --> 02:18:49,899 did these people react and so on there's 2841 02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:51,580 no reason to believe in other words our 2842 02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:53,530 assumptions at the beginning or that the 2843 02:18:58,530 --> 02:18:55,840 beings were human that they were walking 2844 02:19:02,330 --> 02:18:58,540 around on the craft but maybe the craft 2845 02:19:04,419 --> 02:19:02,340 was simply behind the entire facade and 2846 02:19:05,799 --> 02:19:04,429 making the prayers people 2847 02:19:08,830 --> 02:19:05,809 that what they were seeing with this 2848 02:19:10,780 --> 02:19:08,840 particular presentation and I wonder if 2849 02:19:14,429 --> 02:19:10,790 a third party listening to us would 2850 02:19:18,129 --> 02:19:14,439 wonder which is the crazier hypothesis 2851 02:19:21,939 --> 02:19:18,139 or mine since that people can see stars 2852 02:19:24,729 --> 02:19:21,949 and planets which appear to them as this 2853 02:19:25,959 --> 02:19:24,739 with human beings walking around on top 2854 02:19:27,459 --> 02:19:25,969 of them right 2855 02:19:29,889 --> 02:19:27,469 well again that depends on how many 2856 02:19:31,870 --> 02:19:29,899 arcminutes you're talking about this 2857 02:19:33,939 --> 02:19:31,880 ain't covering the sky is it but yeah if 2858 02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:33,949 it's the size of looking at say an 2859 02:19:38,200 --> 02:19:35,689 automobile at the end of your driveway 2860 02:19:41,290 --> 02:19:38,210 it's not going to be this a star it 2861 02:19:42,910 --> 02:19:41,300 doesn't matter if Venus happens to also 2862 02:19:44,740 --> 02:19:42,920 be off in the distance at the end of 2863 02:19:46,049 --> 02:19:44,750 your driveway you're going to be able to 2864 02:19:49,570 --> 02:19:46,059 tell the difference between the two 2865 02:19:52,059 --> 02:19:49,580 creating readily unless the star is the 2866 02:19:55,599 --> 02:19:52,069 trigger for something that comes from 2867 02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:55,609 inside sure you know once again but how 2868 02:20:01,269 --> 02:19:58,479 many other people also saw this that's 2869 02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:01,279 to have that many people have the same 2870 02:20:06,519 --> 02:20:04,250 sort of hallucination essentially is 2871 02:20:09,880 --> 02:20:06,529 what we're talking about yeah that's 2872 02:20:12,460 --> 02:20:09,890 that would be really remarkable it would 2873 02:20:15,309 --> 02:20:12,470 it would be very remarkable but then 2874 02:20:16,269 --> 02:20:15,319 again I think that's what UFOs are very 2875 02:20:20,650 --> 02:20:16,279 remarkable 2876 02:20:22,929 --> 02:20:20,660 that's true but either way this this is 2877 02:20:25,179 --> 02:20:22,939 what this is a kind of thing I was 2878 02:20:28,389 --> 02:20:25,189 really hoping to get into is that maybe 2879 02:20:32,530 --> 02:20:28,399 there's some possible way that we can 2880 02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:32,540 overlap these these ideas so that no 2881 02:20:36,130 --> 02:20:34,250 people really aren't seeing what they 2882 02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:36,140 think they're seeing and yet there still 2883 02:20:43,240 --> 02:20:40,010 is an objective reality to it in some 2884 02:20:47,099 --> 02:20:43,250 cases I think that's John keels that 2885 02:20:49,150 --> 02:20:47,109 approach wasn't it John keel authority 2886 02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:49,160 yeah well I heard that I was just 2887 02:20:53,679 --> 02:20:51,439 looking for genes comment on that not 2888 02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:53,689 letting you commit oh I'm not as 2889 02:20:57,960 --> 02:20:56,090 familiar with keel as your oh okay well 2890 02:20:59,920 --> 02:20:57,970 John keel oh I've talked about live 2891 02:21:01,630 --> 02:20:59,930 fascinating things sometimes yeah I 2892 02:21:03,849 --> 02:21:01,640 wondered it whether he was totally 2893 02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:03,859 serious about some things because 2894 02:21:13,090 --> 02:21:07,120 everything to him was paranoia and 2895 02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:13,100 demonic interactions with UFOs okay yeah 2896 02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:16,250 so that wouldn't be so much like keel 2897 02:21:19,490 --> 02:21:17,730 then 2898 02:21:23,841 --> 02:21:19,500 I don't know what it would be like 2899 02:21:26,930 --> 02:21:23,851 actually mortis I guess what we've seen 2900 02:21:28,970 --> 02:21:26,940 in some sci-fi that's taken place where 2901 02:21:30,620 --> 02:21:28,980 you know okay here I go I'm going to 2902 02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:30,630 have to mention Star Trek because that's 2903 02:21:36,080 --> 02:21:33,570 the first place I saw the idea of a 2904 02:21:40,011 --> 02:21:36,090 cloaking device or beings that could 2905 02:21:43,180 --> 02:21:40,021 change shape because of technology or in 2906 02:21:45,890 --> 02:21:43,190 fact there is one episode where 2907 02:21:48,711 --> 02:21:45,900 particular being what's a lot of 2908 02:21:50,660 --> 02:21:48,721 technology is able to make it look like 2909 02:21:53,480 --> 02:21:50,670 to the local residents that they are a 2910 02:21:56,030 --> 02:21:53,490 creature from their mythological past 2911 02:22:02,870 --> 02:21:56,040 let's come back to claim their territory 2912 02:22:06,560 --> 02:22:02,880 and the the crew of the of Starfleet 2913 02:22:09,620 --> 02:22:06,570 they recognize what's really going on 2914 02:22:13,610 --> 02:22:09,630 and they have to try and resolve this 2915 02:22:15,261 --> 02:22:13,620 without contaminating them and ruining 2916 02:22:17,211 --> 02:22:15,271 the ruining what's going on with the 2917 02:22:19,850 --> 02:22:17,221 prime directive you see this is the big 2918 02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:19,860 thing about Star Trek though the prime 2919 02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:21,840 directive says don't let your fear and 2920 02:22:27,410 --> 02:22:25,200 in every episode where it involves 2921 02:22:31,461 --> 02:22:27,420 contact with a more primitive culture 2922 02:22:33,350 --> 02:22:31,471 they end up interfering somehow right 2923 02:22:35,930 --> 02:22:33,360 there's that one who watches the 2924 02:22:39,261 --> 02:22:35,940 Watchers I believe from the next 2925 02:22:42,350 --> 02:22:39,271 generation episode and that is a really 2926 02:22:46,250 --> 02:22:42,360 excellent portrayal of exactly that type 2927 02:22:48,881 --> 02:22:46,260 of thing because the captain a card 2928 02:22:53,290 --> 02:22:48,891 ultimately has to take one of these 2929 02:22:57,790 --> 02:22:53,300 primitive peoples onto the starship and 2930 02:23:00,320 --> 02:22:57,800 explain that he's not God than treatment 2931 02:23:01,761 --> 02:23:00,330 yeah if you ever get a chance to watch 2932 02:23:05,360 --> 02:23:01,771 it that's one of the things I love about 2933 02:23:07,430 --> 02:23:05,370 sci-fi is that it deals with those kinds 2934 02:23:09,950 --> 02:23:07,440 of issues bigger issues more complex 2935 02:23:11,660 --> 02:23:09,960 issues about existence and the way that 2936 02:23:15,921 --> 02:23:11,670 we look at the world and how our 2937 02:23:18,140 --> 02:23:15,931 assumptions 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to drink with me 3009 02:26:38,921 --> 02:26:37,091 they clear to all of our kids right oh 3010 02:26:40,390 --> 02:26:38,931 no not really 3011 02:26:42,671 --> 02:26:40,400 though if we don't tell them what we 3012 02:26:47,340 --> 02:26:42,681 expect and why edition drink how are 3013 02:26:51,599 --> 02:26:49,280 [Music] 3014 02:26:53,460 --> 02:26:51,609 non-attorney paid spokesperson could 3015 02:26:55,290 --> 02:26:53,470 your house go into foreclosure are you 3016 02:26:56,940 --> 02:26:55,300 behind on your mortgage payments does it 3017 02:26:58,770 --> 02:26:56,950 seem like the bank has no interest in 3018 02:27:00,179 --> 02:26:58,780 helping you save your home and you feel 3019 02:27:02,310 --> 02:27:00,189 like you have nowhere to turn for help 3020 02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:02,320 then we have good news for you 3021 02:27:06,360 --> 02:27:04,450 foreclosure protection services can help 3022 02:27:08,820 --> 02:27:06,370 save your home as they specialize in 3023 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make the call to 8 1 1 3051 02:28:25,330 --> 02:28:18,680 brought to you by common ground Alliance 3052 02:28:28,929 --> 02:28:27,070 this is Micah Hanks to the graylien 3053 02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:28,939 report and you're listening to the para 3054 02:28:32,050 --> 02:28:31,010 cast the gold standard of paranormal 3055 02:28:39,300 --> 02:28:32,060 radio 3056 02:28:43,270 --> 02:28:39,310 [Music] 3057 02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:43,280 so that's okay I think about people I 3058 02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:46,250 know who didn't get on with modern stuff 3059 02:28:49,500 --> 02:28:48,410 you do not have a smartphone do you 3060 02:28:53,470 --> 02:28:49,510 David 3061 02:28:57,160 --> 02:28:53,480 no that might be smart I'm impressed 3062 02:29:02,560 --> 02:28:57,170 neither do I so whoo whoo oh good I have 3063 02:29:05,140 --> 02:29:02,570 one fellow primitive in terms of 3064 02:29:08,290 --> 02:29:05,150 primitives our late friend Jim mostly 3065 02:29:10,420 --> 02:29:08,300 was the ultimate primitive he had an 3066 02:29:13,450 --> 02:29:10,430 electric typewriter he did not have a 3067 02:29:15,880 --> 02:29:13,460 computer he had a regular phone he did 3068 02:29:19,960 --> 02:29:15,890 not have a cell phone of any kind he did 3069 02:29:24,700 --> 02:29:19,970 not even have voicemail so there didn't 3070 02:29:28,900 --> 02:29:24,710 reach him to end yeah he used to refer 3071 02:29:33,610 --> 02:29:28,910 to it as the dread Internet so what then 3072 02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:33,620 inspired you to either become a UFO 3073 02:29:38,020 --> 02:29:35,210 investigator or to write a book about 3074 02:29:40,330 --> 02:29:38,030 all of this because for me kind of this 3075 02:29:42,220 --> 02:29:40,340 whole sci-fi thing in UFOs tended to go 3076 02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:42,230 really hand in hand it was like space 3077 02:29:48,430 --> 02:29:45,170 and adventure and what's going on and 3078 02:29:52,060 --> 02:29:48,440 it's a mystery how did it how did it 3079 02:29:53,650 --> 02:29:52,070 happen with you I was 12 years old and I 3080 02:29:57,840 --> 02:29:53,660 read great partners they knew too much 3081 02:30:00,940 --> 02:29:57,850 about flying saucers and I immediately 3082 02:30:03,850 --> 02:30:00,950 recognized that is the truth how did I 3083 02:30:06,970 --> 02:30:03,860 do how did I recognize it because he 3084 02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:06,980 talked about a reality that was so 3085 02:30:13,060 --> 02:30:10,610 terrible that it had to be silent no one 3086 02:30:16,960 --> 02:30:13,070 could speak of it and that was the 3087 02:30:20,650 --> 02:30:16,970 reality I know from my house that my 3088 02:30:24,550 --> 02:30:20,660 mother was dying slowly and nobody would 3089 02:30:30,310 --> 02:30:24,560 talk about it so when I read similar 3090 02:30:35,620 --> 02:30:30,320 things in grey Barca in mythic term like 3091 02:30:38,440 --> 02:30:35,630 shaver then I recognized this as the 3092 02:30:42,430 --> 02:30:38,450 real truth that nobody was willing to 3093 02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:42,440 tell me so the tone of the story really 3094 02:30:50,921 --> 02:30:45,770 resonated with your personal situation 3095 02:30:53,410 --> 02:30:50,931 in life okay okay that's that's fair 3096 02:30:55,961 --> 02:30:53,420 okay Anna and I think you know that I 3097 02:30:58,180 --> 02:30:55,971 don't think it's just me I think that 3098 02:31:01,900 --> 02:30:58,190 all of these stories press this is the 3099 02:31:04,600 --> 02:31:01,910 crux of my book that all of these 3100 02:31:06,850 --> 02:31:04,610 stories are myths that can cut that 3101 02:31:09,371 --> 02:31:06,860 comes sometimes from one or two people 3102 02:31:12,551 --> 02:31:09,381 like Betty and Barney ill and yet 3103 02:31:15,160 --> 02:31:12,561 resonate with thousands and eventually 3104 02:31:18,041 --> 02:31:15,170 millions of others well there's no 3105 02:31:20,020 --> 02:31:18,051 question that that happens and I find 3106 02:31:22,690 --> 02:31:20,030 that very fascinating too and it's one 3107 02:31:25,720 --> 02:31:22,700 of the reasons that I'm really looking 3108 02:31:27,551 --> 02:31:25,730 forward to having a look at your book 3109 02:31:30,910 --> 02:31:27,561 it's going to be right on the Shelf 3110 02:31:34,150 --> 02:31:30,920 there along with young so well Rando I 3111 02:31:37,930 --> 02:31:34,160 look forward to having a debate partner 3112 02:31:42,671 --> 02:31:37,940 debate opponent like I mean they vetted 3113 02:31:44,501 --> 02:31:42,681 it is very stimulating yeah sure it's a 3114 02:31:49,091 --> 02:31:44,511 discussion with me and I guess for me I 3115 02:31:51,461 --> 02:31:49,101 take the classic position of abusing it 3116 02:31:53,621 --> 02:31:51,471 as an intellectual tool I don't mean to 3117 02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:53,631 certainly don't mean to offend anyone 3118 02:31:58,810 --> 02:31:56,960 and I'm often misunderstood that way but 3119 02:32:01,421 --> 02:31:58,820 that's certainly not what it's about I 3120 02:32:04,121 --> 02:32:01,431 know we had a debate going on for quite 3121 02:32:07,150 --> 02:32:04,131 a while about the ETH and the parent 3122 02:32:10,121 --> 02:32:07,160 caste forums but like things like that 3123 02:32:12,671 --> 02:32:10,131 it petered out let's hope this one will 3124 02:32:14,350 --> 02:32:12,681 not well that's because if you hear the 3125 02:32:16,600 --> 02:32:14,360 same thing over and over again for so 3126 02:32:19,001 --> 02:32:16,610 many times it after a while you just 3127 02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:19,011 want to find something new to stimulate 3128 02:32:26,110 --> 02:32:21,170 your mind and I think that's what went 3129 02:32:28,121 --> 02:32:26,120 on was ballet he was so tired of the 3130 02:32:31,841 --> 02:32:28,131 extra-terrestrial hypothesis and ships 3131 02:32:33,400 --> 02:32:31,851 and nuts-and-bolts phenomena and he was 3132 02:32:35,140 --> 02:32:33,410 writing another book and he had to 3133 02:32:37,541 --> 02:32:35,150 figure out something different that was 3134 02:32:40,541 --> 02:32:37,551 stimulating for him in his quite 3135 02:32:43,421 --> 02:32:40,551 brilliant mind so he came up with the 3136 02:32:46,211 --> 02:32:43,431 his hole dimensions hypothesis it's not 3137 02:32:49,001 --> 02:32:46,221 alternate realities and so on the lane 3138 02:32:51,791 --> 02:32:49,011 is now very popular I mean one of the 3139 02:32:55,810 --> 02:32:51,801 most remarkable phenomena for me in the 3140 02:32:59,280 --> 02:32:55,820 past the past year or so has been the 3141 02:33:02,711 --> 02:32:59,290 extent to which UFOs have become it 3142 02:33:04,629 --> 02:33:02,721 respectable the New York Times is now 3143 02:33:07,079 --> 02:33:04,639 smiling upon them 3144 02:33:09,519 --> 02:33:07,089 The Washington Post runs an op-ed 3145 02:33:12,579 --> 02:33:09,529 complaining that UFOs aren't taken 3146 02:33:16,569 --> 02:33:12,589 seriously enough the London Review of 3147 02:33:19,269 --> 02:33:16,579 Books has a glowing article about UFOs 3148 02:33:21,699 --> 02:33:19,279 and particularly about ballet and this 3149 02:33:24,609 --> 02:33:21,709 to me is a phenomenon as extraordinary 3150 02:33:27,969 --> 02:33:24,619 as any we'd hoped about so far 3151 02:33:29,649 --> 02:33:27,979 definitely definitely I we're in newer 3152 02:33:33,099 --> 02:33:29,659 times I wouldn't exactly call it 3153 02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:33,109 disclosure but it's certainly a new era 3154 02:33:38,649 --> 02:33:36,319 of acceptance to me it's fantastic I 3155 02:33:41,469 --> 02:33:38,659 mean the New York Times used to be the 3156 02:33:44,499 --> 02:33:41,479 most contemptuous take the most 3157 02:33:46,959 --> 02:33:44,509 contemptuous position on UFOs now they 3158 02:33:49,899 --> 02:33:46,969 last month they ran a piece on those 3159 02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:49,909 1952 Washington sightings which 3160 02:33:54,999 --> 02:33:52,489 basically said that the temperature 3161 02:33:55,329 --> 02:33:55,009 inversions didn't explain them well they 3162 02:33:59,079 --> 02:33:55,339 don't 3163 02:34:01,029 --> 02:33:59,089 I mean they explained some of them like 3164 02:34:03,399 --> 02:34:01,039 I did when you really dig into the case 3165 02:34:06,099 --> 02:34:03,409 and you start looking at all of the 3166 02:34:08,760 --> 02:34:06,109 evidence there's a lot more there than 3167 02:34:11,260 --> 02:34:08,770 temperature inversions and lens flares 3168 02:34:14,039 --> 02:34:11,270 on the New York Times for some reason 3169 02:34:15,939 --> 02:34:14,049 felt it important to bring that back 3170 02:34:19,239 --> 02:34:15,949 something is changing 3171 02:34:23,109 --> 02:34:19,249 I can always suggest here there is a 3172 02:34:26,889 --> 02:34:23,119 plot involved there is the goal of 3173 02:34:28,779 --> 02:34:26,899 gradual disclosure release in terms of 3174 02:34:31,449 --> 02:34:28,789 the ETH making people accept the 3175 02:34:33,789 --> 02:34:31,459 possibility over the years that there is 3176 02:34:36,819 --> 02:34:33,799 definitely life out there there's even 3177 02:34:38,289 --> 02:34:36,829 water on the Moon and Mars and lots of 3178 02:34:42,579 --> 02:34:38,299 other planets so we have those 3179 02:34:44,260 --> 02:34:42,589 conditions if it's liquid water you know 3180 02:34:46,300 --> 02:34:44,270 where that leads to so it's very 3181 02:34:49,889 --> 02:34:46,310 possible we have life out there and 3182 02:34:52,679 --> 02:34:49,899 that's a way of making people accept a 3183 02:34:56,919 --> 02:34:52,689 reality if you were F o--'s were 3184 02:34:59,559 --> 02:34:56,929 extraterrestrial but then maybe doesn't 3185 02:35:02,469 --> 02:34:59,569 that though genius sort of the call into 3186 02:35:06,519 --> 02:35:02,479 question maybe an ulterior motive I mean 3187 02:35:09,309 --> 02:35:06,529 I mean the whole to the Stars thing with 3188 02:35:10,959 --> 02:35:09,319 the threat identification program turned 3189 02:35:13,479 --> 02:35:10,969 out to be actually something for the 3190 02:35:15,639 --> 02:35:13,489 Defense Department because they were 3191 02:35:17,950 --> 02:35:15,649 concerned about them from a defense 3192 02:35:20,650 --> 02:35:17,960 perspective so 3193 02:35:23,020 --> 02:35:20,660 King UFOs respectable kind of gives 3194 02:35:25,480 --> 02:35:23,030 Trump his whole rationalization for 3195 02:35:29,410 --> 02:35:25,490 creating the space force so the space 3196 02:35:31,210 --> 02:35:29,420 force will be renamed Federation no 3197 02:35:33,969 --> 02:35:31,220 that's not gonna what I picked if I were 3198 02:35:35,410 --> 02:35:33,979 a trekker I would understand yes but 3199 02:35:37,600 --> 02:35:35,420 since you're not at record it can't 3200 02:35:40,600 --> 02:35:37,610 possibly happen except I read the other 3201 02:35:42,820 --> 02:35:40,610 day that now a prominent Democrat is in 3202 02:35:44,980 --> 02:35:42,830 favor of a space force the or maybe 3203 02:35:47,770 --> 02:35:44,990 Trump is a sci-fi fan and we don't know 3204 02:35:52,600 --> 02:35:47,780 her cause a sci-fi fan I don't think he 3205 02:35:55,060 --> 02:35:52,610 ever has given an answer to UFOs at one 3206 02:35:58,540 --> 02:35:55,070 time his press secretary Sarah Huckabee 3207 02:36:01,960 --> 02:35:58,550 Sanders was asked what he thought about 3208 02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:01,970 UFOs and his response and she had no 3209 02:36:06,969 --> 02:36:04,370 response and what she says I'll have to 3210 02:36:10,060 --> 02:36:06,979 ask of course with that response you 3211 02:36:14,320 --> 02:36:10,070 know what happens in that nothing it 3212 02:36:17,260 --> 02:36:14,330 never happens David Halperin we could 3213 02:36:19,240 --> 02:36:17,270 have done this for another two hours we 3214 02:36:21,940 --> 02:36:19,250 would have been a delight Jean and I I 3215 02:36:24,340 --> 02:36:21,950 am I am honored to be on this forum with 3216 02:36:26,170 --> 02:36:24,350 you and Randall well thanks a lot I mean 3217 02:36:28,900 --> 02:36:26,180 your perspective is something really 3218 02:36:31,900 --> 02:36:28,910 truly different David Halpern tell our 3219 02:36:37,480 --> 02:36:31,910 listeners where we can find more of all 3220 02:36:39,550 --> 02:36:37,490 that stuff you do add www David Halperin 3221 02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:39,560 that's one word d-a-v-i-d 3222 02:36:49,930 --> 02:36:46,010 h al PE RI n dot net and in about a year 3223 02:36:54,130 --> 02:36:49,940 and a half my book intimate alien the 3224 02:36:56,500 --> 02:36:54,140 hidden story of the UFO you know what I 3225 02:36:58,120 --> 02:36:56,510 can't wait I really can't wait and 3226 02:37:00,640 --> 02:36:58,130 that's why we keep talking about we'll 3227 02:37:02,980 --> 02:37:00,650 talk about between now and then David 3228 02:37:04,990 --> 02:37:02,990 and build up demands so the day comes 3229 02:37:07,780 --> 02:37:05,000 out people will be lining up in the 3230 02:37:10,120 --> 02:37:07,790 streets screaming no willing to buy your 3231 02:37:13,750 --> 02:37:10,130 book oh that would be lovely 3232 02:37:15,790 --> 02:37:13,760 you deserve it my friend you deserve it 3233 02:37:19,140 --> 02:37:15,800 you can find us on Twitter if you look 3234 02:37:21,640 --> 02:37:19,150 for the power cast we have two official 3235 02:37:24,520 --> 02:37:21,650 official not unofficial real hire 3236 02:37:27,700 --> 02:37:24,530 percent genuine official power cast fan 3237 02:37:29,560 --> 02:37:27,710 clubs on Facebook if you like Facebook 3238 02:37:29,980 --> 02:37:29,570 if you don't we'll work out some other 3239 02:37:32,820 --> 02:37:29,990 kind of 3240 02:37:34,930 --> 02:37:32,830 lúcia we're not really committed to 3241 02:37:36,520 --> 02:37:34,940 facebook if you don't like it 3242 02:37:38,711 --> 02:37:36,530 and I was mentioning after the power 3243 02:37:40,540 --> 02:37:38,721 cast because that's exclusive feature of 3244 02:37:43,180 --> 02:37:40,550 the power cast plus what this means is 3245 02:37:46,421 --> 02:37:43,190 you get two radio shows for a modest 3246 02:37:48,580 --> 02:37:46,431 price one of them is the power cast free 3247 02:37:51,640 --> 02:37:48,590 of all the network ads that's why it's 3248 02:37:54,640 --> 02:37:51,650 over 41 minutes shorter okay it's to 3249 02:37:56,290 --> 02:37:54,650 have Network ads you have a couple of 3250 02:37:57,551 --> 02:37:56,300 seconds of silence before the next 3251 02:38:01,060 --> 02:37:57,561 segment that's how we do it better 3252 02:38:04,780 --> 02:38:01,070 quality audio so David did he say has a 3253 02:38:08,680 --> 02:38:04,790 great a great landline connection will 3254 02:38:10,390 --> 02:38:08,690 be even greater after this to learn more 3255 02:38:13,570 --> 02:38:10,400 about the power cast plus co2 Plus 3256 02:38:16,091 --> 02:38:13,580 thought the power cast com+ Dutch the 3257 02:38:17,950 --> 02:38:16,101 para cast comm David Halpern my friend 3258 02:38:20,770 --> 02:38:17,960 thank you for joining us in the power 3259 02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:20,780 cast thank you for having me G and we'll 3260 02:38:41,040 --> 02:38:38,130 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3261 02:38:44,060 --> 02:38:41,050 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3262 02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:44,070 presentation of making the impossible 3263 02:38:51,800 --> 02:38:47,770 Incorporated tune in next week for a new